New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Halifax Tar]

Daegu Class from SK? Too much?

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Works for me!

 

[Kirkhill]

Because the National Security Cutter design fundamentally isn't what the USN exactly wants, given it has limitations in the kind of sensor and weaponry suite it can fit without very extensive upgrading. It can likely fit something like 16 cells, no AEGIS and a less capable sensor suite in comparison to what they wanted Constellation to do as well.

And that is exactly what has caused them grief with the Constellations, Freedoms, Independences, Zumwalts, Fords and the Marines' landing ships.

And it has probably been delaying the MUSV/LUSV programmes.

10 lbs in a 5 lb sack.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Meanwhile the US pivots once more on their frigate program. I suspect that any "Good idea fairy" in the vicinity will be shot on sight.

SECNAV: New Frigate will be Based on National Security Cutter, First FF(X) to be Built at Ingalls - USNI News

This post has been updated with a rendering of the proposed FF(X) design. The U.S. Coast Guard Legend-class will serve as the basis of a new Navy frigate program, Secretary of the Navy John Phelan and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Daryl Caudle announced on social media Friday. Following last...

news.usni.org

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Oh! What a surprise! I think I'm going to have a heart attack from this surprise.

Iago: Oh what a surprise. - Google Search

 

[Nvlgzr]

Meanwhile the US pivots once more on their frigate program. I suspect that any "Good idea fairy" in the vicinity will be shot on sight.

SECNAV: New Frigate will be Based on National Security Cutter, First FF(X) to be Built at Ingalls - USNI News

This post has been updated with a rendering of the proposed FF(X) design. The U.S. Coast Guard Legend-class will serve as the basis of a new Navy frigate program, Secretary of the Navy John Phelan and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Daryl Caudle announced on social media Friday. Following last...

news.usni.org

The Golden ‘White House’, Golden Dome and now the Golden Fleet. Where’s Gold Member ? At the 2min mark the Admiral could have been talking about Constellation class before Navsea decided to change everything. 2:26 Halifax class centre screen.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The Golden ‘White House’, Golden Dome and now the Golden Fleet. Where’s Gold Member ? At the 2min mark the Admiral could have been talking about Constellation class before Navsea decided to change everything. 2:26 Halifax class centre screen.

You forgot the new Gold Card - for 1$ million USD you too can immigrant to the US, as long as your not for the list of 26 identified countries.

 

[Lumber]

Meanwhile the US pivots once more on their frigate program. I suspect that any "Good idea fairy" in the vicinity will be shot on sight.

SECNAV: New Frigate will be Based on National Security Cutter, First FF(X) to be Built at Ingalls - USNI News

This post has been updated with a rendering of the proposed FF(X) design. The U.S. Coast Guard Legend-class will serve as the basis of a new Navy frigate program, Secretary of the Navy John Phelan and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Daryl Caudle announced on social media Friday. Following last...

news.usni.org

Its a very ruff first draft, but I see a 57mm, a RIM-116 RAM, 2 quad NSM box launchers, and what looks like an SG-AMB radar. So, a anti-surface warfare platform that can do some very limited point defense AAW. I can't see any torpedo tubes. Curious if there is enough space for a CAPTAS.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The Legend class carries long range interceptor boat in a well at the stern. Covered over, that ought to be enough room for a CAPTAS.

 

[lenaitch]

The Golden ‘White House’, Golden Dome and now the Golden Fleet. Where’s Gold Member ? At the 2min mark the Admiral could have been talking about Constellation class before Navsea decided to change everything. 2:26 Halifax class centre screen.

In naval service, the Trump-class frigate?

 

[Nvlgzr]

In naval service, the Trump-class frigate?

I expect that USS Kennedy will be renamed USS Donald J Trump at commissioning. Can’t have it named after a Democratic president.
The frigate naming: USS Ivanka, Ivana, Marla, Melania, Tiffany, Ghislaine, Jeffrey, Don Jr, Eric, Barron….

 

[lenaitch]

I expect that USS Kennedy will be renamed USS Donald J Trump at commissioning. Can’t have it named after a Democratic president.
The frigate naming: USS Ivanka, Ivana, Marla, Melania, Tiffany, Ghislaine, Jeffrey, Don Jr, Eric, Barron….

Would lend a new meaning to 'serving in her' vs 'serving on her'.

 

[Swampbuggy]

I expect that USS Kennedy will be renamed USS Donald J Trump at commissioning. Can’t have it named after a Democratic president.
The frigate naming: USS Ivanka, Ivana, Marla, Melania, Tiffany, Ghislaine, Jeffrey, Don Jr, Eric, Barron….

What, no USS STORMY??

 

[Underway]

Its a very ruff first draft, but I see a 57mm, a RIM-116 RAM, 2 quad NSM box launchers, and what looks like an SG-AMB radar. So, a anti-surface warfare platform that can do some very limited point defense AAW. I can't see any torpedo tubes. Curious if there is enough space for a CAPTAS.

They do want swap-able mission containers. This honestly looks like a super cut down in capability from the Constellation. No integral VLS, no integral ASW. Make sense if they want to build the thing in 3 years (2028 is what they were saying), the HFX class seem more capable at this point.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

They do want swap-able mission containers. This honestly looks like a super cut down in capability from the Constellation. No integral VLS, no integral ASW. Make sense if they want to build the thing in 3 years (2028 is what they were saying), the HFX class seem more capable at this point.

If they want quick and dirty, one trick ponies, this is it. they’ve put themselves into a shipbuilding corner. Almost as bad as us (adjusted for global interests).

 

[Underway]

If they want quick and dirty, one trick ponies, this is it. they’ve put themselves into a shipbuilding corner. Almost as bad as us (adjusted for global interests).

Yah, we started from much further behind as well. We've gotten our legs under us now, with multiple Coast Guard vessels and AOPV's built, JSS in fitting out and a second about 50% done. But its a long marathon to go.

 

[quadrapiper]

They do want swap-able mission containers. This honestly looks like a super cut down in capability from the Constellation. No integral VLS, no integral ASW. Make sense if they want to build the thing in 3 years (2028 is what they were saying), the HFX class seem more capable at this point.

Would the Halifaxes be (as far as design goes, not the "rode hard, put away wet" current state) better blue-water ships, too? I know the USCG gets out there, but are deep-sea operations central to their design concept?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The Golden ‘White House’, Golden Dome and now the Golden Fleet. Where’s Gold Member ?

But what the Americans are getting in the end, is the Golden fleece.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Hmmm France is building a new carrier. Wonder if they are looking for a partner, lol.

France to build new aircraft carrier — Macron – DW – 12/21/2025

Macron said that France needed to be "strong to be feared" as Paris aims to enhance its projection as a naval power.

amp.dw.com

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The program is not new in and of itself. Plans were underway to have a joint class with the Brits before Brexit. It would have been a Queen Ekizabeth look alike but with catapults instead of STOVL set up (the French do not like STOVL, even though the Rafale-Mer does not need much of a push from the catapults).

Anyway, they knew that Charles de Gaule was getting on in age and had to be replaced. This may prove interesting: They have never decommissioned a nuclear surface vessel yet. In the past, they disposed of their old carriers (all classic propulsion) by selling them cheap to developing countries, such as Brazil, though it didn't work out for the Clemenceau.