Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[ytz]

The RCN is talking a big honking ship.....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/navy-canada-arctic-defence-landing-ship-9.7027777

 

[ytz]

To be clear, I’m not pushing for the Gripen (like I get a choice in the matter, lol), but in trying to read the writing on this wall, having some mix of Gripen/F35 seems to be a done deal.

I didn't suggest you were. I'm just pointing out that we have rumors showing what they are thinking.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The RCN is talking a big honking ship.....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/navy-canada-arctic-defence-landing-ship-9.7027777

I love the idea, always more ships. But we need crews, infrastructure, training establishments and support facilities.

 

[ytz]

I love the idea, always more ships. But we need crews, infrastructure, training establishments and support facilities.

To be fair this won't arrive for 15 years. So that's time to spin up crews.

 

[Halifax Tar]

To be fair this won't arrive for 15 years. So that's time to spin up crews.

I love your optimism lol

 

[dapaterson]

To be fair this won't arrive for 15 years. So that's time to spin up crews.

Fifteen years gets you junior LCdrs and junior PO1s.

If we recruit them tomorrow.

Personnel are a long lead item, but are generally treated as an afterthought.

 

[MilEME09]

I love your optimism lol

Optimism is what kept us going, now we seemingly have follow through. Also the CAF is putting a heavy emphasis on the arctic now, especially for the PRes. I could see a ship like this being needed for Op Nanook.

 

[Good2Golf]

Is there any indication that there have been overt/covert discussions between Canada and France at any level?

Depends if you want to see it or not.

Who was the first head of state PM Carney visited after the election?

What country’s SSN visited the RCN’s principal base in Halifax shortly before that meeting?

In international politics, that’s called ‘signaling.’ Some believe it means something. Others don’t. YMMV

 

[ytz]

Also, it's malpractice for the others to ignore that Saab is putting unsolicited proposals. I'd be surprised if they didn't pitch something of their own.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Optimism is what kept us going, now we seemingly have follow through. Also the CAF is putting a heavy emphasis on the arctic now, especially for the PRes. I could see a ship like this being needed for Op Nanook.

So hope is a COA. Fuck me, been wrong all these years

 

[MilEME09]

So hope is a COA. Fuck me, been wrong all these years

Its COA 4, right after the throw away COA

 

[FJAG]

Fifteen years gets you junior LCdrs and junior PO1s.

I sometimes marvel at the fact that Canada was able to build, equip and train a massive army, navy and air force in two to four years using just reservists and a handful of full-timers.

 

[Furniture]

I sometimes marvel at the fact that Canada was able to build, equip and train a massive army, navy and air force in two to four years using just reservists and a handful of full-timers.

Ah... The old Militia Myth rears it's head again.

 

[FJAG]

Ah... The old Militia Myth rears it's head again.

Is it a myth is it wins a war?

 

[dapaterson]

Is it a myth is it wins a war?

Years of dedicated full time training from late '39 to mid '44 have a way of addressing issues.

 

[PrairieFella]

Years of dedicated full time training from late '39 to mid '44 have a way of addressing issues.

To the point that units were competing to see who got invasion duty in England. Thats how my regiment got tapped to be one of two tank regiments to hit the beach during wave 1 of Overlord, they were assessed to be some of the best tankers of all the Canadians in England for almost 3 years at that point while doing competitive training.

 

[Furniture]

Is it a myth is it wins a war?

We can't count on 5 years of intense full-time training for the "militia" to be prepared to fight the next war...

The troops that landed at Dieppe, Sicily, and Normandy were full-time professionals by the time their boots touched enemy soil. Even the troops sent to Hing Kong had been full-time training/working for at least a year before the battle.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We can't count on 5 years of intense full-time training for the "militia" to be prepared to fight the next war...

The troops that landed at Dieppe, Sicily, and Normandy were full-time professionals by the time their boots touched enemy soil. Even the troops sent to Hing Kong had been full-time training/working for at least a year before the battle.

Agreed

There is a reason we spend 6 months to a year working up before we deploy.

 

[McG]

I sometimes marvel at the fact that Canada was able to build, equip and train a massive army, navy and air force in two to four years using just reservists and a handful of full-timers.

And a lot of Brits. Canadian soldiers trained in Britain, with British Army units often providing support and advanced training. British artillery helped set up Canadian artillery training schools in the UK, utilizing shared resources. And CANLOAN allowed Canadian Army officers to serve temporarily with British units for experience.

 

[Good2Golf]

To the point that units were competing to see who got invasion duty in England. Thats how my regiment got tapped to be one of two tank regiments to hit the beach during wave 1 of Overlord, they were assessed to be some of the best tankers of all the Canadians in England for almost 3 years at that point while doing competitive training.

1 Hussars? My grandfather was Regina Rifles and mentioned the great support the Hussars gave them on NAN GREEN.