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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

I know y'all don't love my opinions- but please hear me out on this.

I think mass non-compliance is trap, and walking into it is major strategic mistake. Think about it, everything about the situation points to the government not wanting large scale compliance. Many individual compensation values are too low. The program is underfunded, likely by an order of magnitude. They're actively warning of "first come first served." They still don't have a tight plan to actually recover any major volume.

So they've actively made compliance as unattractive as possible, and are failing to budget or plan for implementation of mass compliance. In my opinion writing all the above off as a giant FU from the anti's is a very risky underestimation of the opponent.

Why?
From the perspective of the PMO it (mass non-compliance) lets them pay lip service to the anti's, go through the motions as cheaply as possible and hopefully move on to focus on the serious economic and geopolitical issues of the day. ( Insert cynical George Bush on aircraft carrier meme here). Maybe they're forced to find a couple hundred million extra to magnanimously (cynicism) respond to "encouraging, higher than expected uptake." Maybe they're forced to empower a small taskforce to keep the anti's off their back. But above all else they get to move on having "done the thing"

Conversely, widespread compliance blows the issue wide open. It creates a massively eyewatering price tag for compensation*- or the prospect of a class action lawsuit to avoid such. It makes them confront the logistical issue of actually implementing the confiscation and destruction of millions of firearms- without the support of the provinces or major police forces. Frankly- it creates leverage to make them want to find an off ramp- some combo of registration and /or grandfathering. And the strategy can go beyond that into full on malicious compliance. They say first come first served- what if everyone submits at the same time? A - system crashes due to unplanned volumes (more egg), B- harder to justify not paying out.

*IMO CCFR should mirror the registry and calculate A- the value at listed comp, and B the value at FMV to prepare for the class action lawsuit and prevent ensure transparency of data.

From the perspective of the hardcore anti's widespread non-compliance is losing a battle to win the war. The PMO might be happy to move on, but they won't be. They'll spin the non-compliance and build a narrative that the non-compliance is proof that the "law abiding gun owner" is a myth, and that none of us can be trusted. They'll have the gun lobby's own figures and claims to point to as evidence of just how many now prohibited firearms are in so many hands- how widespread the "issue" is. They'll push for the task force detailed in the CCFR video posted by @Lumber, using all the tools at their disposal come after us/you. But above all else they will wait until god forbid if/when a major shooting or two is committed with a firearm on the list. Then they will stand up on their soapbox and scream for all to hear that it could have been prevented but for the criminals formally known as "law abiding gunowners" who refused to comply with the law- then they go for the knockout punch.

Food for thought.
I think you are overthinking it, they will just throw them into a vault, and put out a contract to crush. melt them down.
 
Well, well. This is a pleasant surprise. Hopefully, they won't flip flop.
 

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To have standing in such a suit you'd have to declare ownership of the impacted property- de facto registration. But good thinking- grit in the gears.
Firearms are basically treated by the Govt like narcotics. Illicit narcotics have been used by like 20% of the population. It's a problem that is so big, the Govt has basically thrown its hands in the air and said "we give up".

The current Govt is going to come after all the Restricted Firearms License holders and all their Firearms they have openly declared to the Govt already. It's easy and they already have all the information they need to act. It's the low hanging fruit and an easy win for them. Like water, they will take the path of least resistance.

They will be able to enforce the law in certain select areas where they have sufficient resources and sufficient sympathetic segments of the population to provide them with actionable information and intelligence. Most places though, they won't be able to do Jack shit and it will be status quo for everyone else.
 
Firearms are basically treated by the Govt like narcotics. Illicit narcotics have been used by like 20% of the population. It's a problem that is so big, the Govt has basically thrown its hands in the air and said "we give up".

The current Govt is going to come after all the Restricted Firearms License holders and all their Firearms they have openly declared to the Govt already. It's easy and they already have all the information they need to act. It's the low hanging fruit and an easy win for them. Like water, they will take the path of least resistance.

They will be able to enforce the law in certain select areas where they have sufficient resources and sufficient sympathetic segments of the population to provide them with actionable information and intelligence. Most places though, they won't be able to do Jack shit and it will be status quo for everyone else.

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I'll say again. He needs to copy Alberta and Saskatchewan's legislation and sign it into law. He has a healthy majority and could shove it through with no problem.

Call, email or phone your MPP and push the issue.
 
Wow! After talking to my PC MPP last fall about this, I did not see that coming. When I asked why Ford wasn't following AB's example, his one word answer to me was "Toronto". I wonder how much money Gun Grab Gary and Nathalie will offer him to "reconsider". I also wonder how much pressure Wendy Cukier and the other GTA based anti groups will exert to ensure he doesn't win the next election.
 
Wow! After talking to my PC MPP last fall about this, I did not see that coming. When I asked why Ford wasn't following AB's example, his one word answer to me was "Toronto". I wonder how much money Gun Grab Gary and Nathalie will offer him to "reconsider". I also wonder how much pressure Wendy Cukier and the other GTA based anti groups will exert to ensure he doesn't win the next election.
FFS spend the money on preventing actual gun crime. What a God damn waste.
 

It's almost worth becoming a criminal to take advantage of the liberal hug a thug, revolving door justice loopholes. Bad guys appear to have more rights than law abiding citizens.
 
It's almost worth becoming a criminal to take advantage of the liberal hug a thug, revolving door justice loopholes. Bad guys appear to have more rights than law abiding citizens.

I have often wondered why I bother paying for stuff anymore. It seems no one will stop you if you used the 5 finger discount...
 
This is sensationalist bullshit, Tar. Not the data, but the words used by whoever the fuck "thegunblog" is.

The data says that 26% of Ontarians believe that the federal plan will be the most effective at improving public safety.

It does not say, nor can you infer, that that means 26% of Ontarians want law abiding gun owners "criminalized".

Fuck I hate social media. It brings out the dumbest in people, and people are duuuumb.
 
This is sensationalist bullshit, Tar. Not the data, but the words used by whoever the fuck "thegunblog" is.

The data says that 26% of Ontarians believe that the federal plan will be the most effective at improving public safety.

It does not say, nor can you infer, that that means 26% of Ontarians want law abiding gun owners "criminalized".

Fuck I hate social media. It brings out the dumbest in people, and people are duuuumb.

Sure it does. If you support this move by the sitting Gov you are a-ok with criminalizing otherwise law abiding and taxpaying Canadians. Not to mention removal of private property. Its exactly by design. Divide us.

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Facts: Canada Gun Facts and Stats | TheGunBlog.ca
 
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