The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Jarnhamar]

Wait, you're happy with other Canadians being screwed over?

I'm working on avoiding army.ca some people wordage. Being more inclusive, yeah know?

 

[IKnowNothing]

Just spitballing.
If we don’t have a change of government or can't get them to back down, I wonder how they could handle a couple of million private lawsuits. If 1/3 of owners took them to court, that would still be a massive cost for them. Lots of different suits could be brought.
They have to pay their lawyers, they still need to take the time to respond and co-ordinate the cases in local court. It all takes money. And given the state of the government, they will pay twice the going rate.
I wonder if those overruns will count in the total cost to taxpayers. That should blow out their costs and estimates bottom line.

To have standing in such a suit you'd have to declare ownership of the impacted property- de facto registration. But good thinking- grit in the gears.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I wonder how the liberals would like to be accused of creating, maybe over a million, criminals on Nov 1, 2026. Becoming a criminal though, flips gun owners to the other side. Liberals love criminals and endevour to provide them succor. No bail for release, no court, et al.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights

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[QV]

I wonder how the liberals would like to be accused of creating, maybe over a million, criminals on Nov 1, 2026.

Completely within their level of tolerance. See EA, Covid mandates, etc.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

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[Colin Parkinson]

I know y'all don't love my opinions- but please hear me out on this.

I think mass non-compliance is trap, and walking into it is major strategic mistake. Think about it, everything about the situation points to the government not wanting large scale compliance. Many individual compensation values are too low. The program is underfunded, likely by an order of magnitude. They're actively warning of "first come first served." They still don't have a tight plan to actually recover any major volume.

So they've actively made compliance as unattractive as possible, and are failing to budget or plan for implementation of mass compliance. In my opinion writing all the above off as a giant FU from the anti's is a very risky underestimation of the opponent.

Why?
From the perspective of the PMO it (mass non-compliance) lets them pay lip service to the anti's, go through the motions as cheaply as possible and hopefully move on to focus on the serious economic and geopolitical issues of the day. ( Insert cynical George Bush on aircraft carrier meme here). Maybe they're forced to find a couple hundred million extra to magnanimously (cynicism) respond to "encouraging, higher than expected uptake." Maybe they're forced to empower a small taskforce to keep the anti's off their back. But above all else they get to move on having "done the thing"

Conversely, widespread compliance blows the issue wide open. It creates a massively eyewatering price tag for compensation*- or the prospect of a class action lawsuit to avoid such. It makes them confront the logistical issue of actually implementing the confiscation and destruction of millions of firearms- without the support of the provinces or major police forces. Frankly- it creates leverage to make them want to find an off ramp- some combo of registration and /or grandfathering. And the strategy can go beyond that into full on malicious compliance. They say first come first served- what if everyone submits at the same time? A - system crashes due to unplanned volumes (more egg), B- harder to justify not paying out.

*IMO CCFR should mirror the registry and calculate A- the value at listed comp, and B the value at FMV to prepare for the class action lawsuit and prevent ensure transparency of data.

From the perspective of the hardcore anti's widespread non-compliance is losing a battle to win the war. The PMO might be happy to move on, but they won't be. They'll spin the non-compliance and build a narrative that the non-compliance is proof that the "law abiding gun owner" is a myth, and that none of us can be trusted. They'll have the gun lobby's own figures and claims to point to as evidence of just how many now prohibited firearms are in so many hands- how widespread the "issue" is. They'll push for the task force detailed in the CCFR video posted by @Lumber, using all the tools at their disposal come after us/you. But above all else they will wait until god forbid if/when a major shooting or two is committed with a firearm on the list. Then they will stand up on their soapbox and scream for all to hear that it could have been prevented but for the criminals formally known as "law abiding gunowners" who refused to comply with the law- then they go for the knockout punch.

Food for thought.

I think you are overthinking it, they will just throw them into a vault, and put out a contract to crush. melt them down.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well, well. This is a pleasant surprise. Hopefully, they won't flip flop.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

To have standing in such a suit you'd have to declare ownership of the impacted property- de facto registration. But good thinking- grit in the gears.

Firearms are basically treated by the Govt like narcotics. Illicit narcotics have been used by like 20% of the population. It's a problem that is so big, the Govt has basically thrown its hands in the air and said "we give up".

The current Govt is going to come after all the Restricted Firearms License holders and all their Firearms they have openly declared to the Govt already. It's easy and they already have all the information they need to act. It's the low hanging fruit and an easy win for them. Like water, they will take the path of least resistance.

They will be able to enforce the law in certain select areas where they have sufficient resources and sufficient sympathetic segments of the population to provide them with actionable information and intelligence. Most places though, they won't be able to do Jack shit and it will be status quo for everyone else.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Firearms are basically treated by the Govt like narcotics. Illicit narcotics have been used by like 20% of the population. It's a problem that is so big, the Govt has basically thrown its hands in the air and said "we give up".

The current Govt is going to come after all the Restricted Firearms License holders and all their Firearms they have openly declared to the Govt already. It's easy and they already have all the information they need to act. It's the low hanging fruit and an easy win for them. Like water, they will take the path of least resistance.

They will be able to enforce the law in certain select areas where they have sufficient resources and sufficient sympathetic segments of the population to provide them with actionable information and intelligence. Most places though, they won't be able to do Jack shit and it will be status quo for everyone else.

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014033562748461470

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'll say again. He needs to copy Alberta and Saskatchewan's legislation and sign it into law. He has a healthy majority and could shove it through with no problem.

Call, email or phone your MPP and push the issue.

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014039065918640130

 

[Haggis]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014033562748461470

Wow! After talking to my PC MPP last fall about this, I did not see that coming. When I asked why Ford wasn't following AB's example, his one word answer to me was "Toronto". I wonder how much money Gun Grab Gary and Nathalie will offer him to "reconsider". I also wonder how much pressure Wendy Cukier and the other GTA based anti groups will exert to ensure he doesn't win the next election.

 

[Lumber]

Wow! After talking to my PC MPP last fall about this, I did not see that coming. When I asked why Ford wasn't following AB's example, his one word answer to me was "Toronto". I wonder how much money Gun Grab Gary and Nathalie will offer him to "reconsider". I also wonder how much pressure Wendy Cukier and the other GTA based anti groups will exert to ensure he doesn't win the next election.

FFS spend the money on preventing actual gun crime. What a God damn waste.