Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Czech_pivo]

Several things here, though to me the greenhouses are a big one. Food security is national security.

Prime Minister Carney announces new measures to make groceries and other essentials more affordable for Canadians

Our plan is moving Canada’s economy from reliance to resilience, though some of the biggest long-term payoffs of this transformation will take time to be felt.

www.pm.gc.ca

The vast majority of the workers in those greenhouses, if they are located in Essex County (Kingsville-Leamington) will be staffed with legal Mexican workers on 1yr renewable work visas.

 

[lenaitch]

Same as with a hypothetical Alberta separation - why would Canada not allow existing Canadian citizens to retain their dual citizenship? What would be the criteria for revocation of citizenship? Would we suddenly refuse to recognize dual citizenship in the unique case of Quebec/Alberta?

Corvette uses a similar, also stupid electric door latch that has caused at least one death when the driver was trapped for several days after the battery failed and he was unable to open the door or access the emergency release.

I still don't get why they moved away from this:

Tech for tech's sake.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

The vast majority of the workers in those greenhouses, if they are located in Essex County (Kingsville-Leamington) will be staffed with legal Mexican workers on 1yr renewable work visas.

I am aware of trials to use synthetic labour to increase output / viability of large scale greenhouse operations. Automation is perfect for the 4 Ds: dull, dirty, dangerous, or demeaning, and there are Canadian companies that are market-ready to meet that demand

 

[daftandbarmy]

I am aware of trials to use synthetic labour to increase output / viability of large scale greenhouse operations. Automation is perfect for the 4 Ds: dull, dirty, dangerous, or demeaning, and there are Canadian companies that are market-ready to meet that demand

Vertical farming enters the chat:


B.C. entrepreneurs see sky as limit for vertical farming

Indoor farming expected to grow as dominant source for leafy greens in next decade

Up Vertical Farms launched production in March at its fully automated, custom-built, vertical-farming facility in Pitt Meadows.

Brothers Shahram and Bahram Rashti founded and financed the multimillion-dollar operation that is in a 50,000-square-foot building on 10 acres of ALR land, and they designed the company’s equipment, CEO Bahram Rashti told BIV.

https://www.biv.com/news/resources-agriculture/bc-entrepreneurs-see-sky-limit-vertical-farming-8271212

 

[Czech_pivo]

I am aware of trials to use synthetic labour to increase output / viability of large scale greenhouse operations. Automation is perfect for the 4 Ds: dull, dirty, dangerous, or demeaning, and there are Canadian companies that are market-ready to meet that demand

2 of the 4 D's correctly describe working on the line building a car, whether back at the old Plant 3 in Windsor where I worked as a Uni student or anywhere else in the world.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I recall reading somewhere that most (if not all?) the Chinese EV's that were imported by Canada before the 100% tariffs went into effect were Teslas built in China.

From ChatGPT:

That was pre-DOGE where Musk became kryptonite and also when there was large rebates generally on EVs.

The EV rebates not getting renewed, or being cut on Tesla specifically hurt their existing sales a lot, but I think the export will be focused on lower cost EVs.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out, as I'm sure China will control who gets to export what, and Musk didn't exactly make friends with them either

 

[ArmyRick]

Vertical farming enters the chat:


B.C. entrepreneurs see sky as limit for vertical farming

Indoor farming expected to grow as dominant source for leafy greens in next decade

Up Vertical Farms launched production in March at its fully automated, custom-built, vertical-farming facility in Pitt Meadows.

Brothers Shahram and Bahram Rashti founded and financed the multimillion-dollar operation that is in a 50,000-square-foot building on 10 acres of ALR land, and they designed the company’s equipment, CEO Bahram Rashti told BIV.

https://www.biv.com/news/resources-agriculture/bc-entrepreneurs-see-sky-limit-vertical-farming-8271212

Vertical farming has some strengths and LOTS of limitations. The first big one is it is very ENERGY intensive. It does have its uses, especially in areas where you can capture excellent sunlight. Its another tool in the tool box.

The way forward for farming in my view (You knew what I do as a side hustle), is expand and exploit the winter hardy ruminants. You can literally live on a diet of pure beef, bison, sheep, goat and venison.

Chickens and eggs are a god send for extra and easy (and beyond sustainable protein), as well as a hidden treasure, winter hardy geese and ducks. Add in winter tolerant pigs for pork. BOOOOM! Humans do NOT need excess carbs, FATs , yes fats and proteins from animals should make up 70-95% of the diet. Toss in some good quality fish like cod, salmon, char, trout and whitefish as well,. And if you can, get green wave supported oysters, clams, mussels and kelp.

 

[foresterab]

Everytime someone talks vertical farming I keep thinking - go to Leamington, Ontario.

From a random image found via Google..


But what is more important is the scale:

I've only seen such large greenhouses in two industries....the canning plants in/around Leamington. And pot growing facilities.

Unfortunately it's also not all positives as many residents complain about the light polution:

Every night this is your sky. A different challenge for sure.

 

[Maxman1]

Tech for tech's sake.

If it ain't broke, fix it til it is.

 

[Maxman1]

Everytime someone talks vertical farming I keep thinking - go to Leamington, Ontario.

From a random image found via Google..
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But what is more important is the scale:
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I've only seen such large greenhouses in two industries....the canning plants in/around Leamington. And pot growing facilities.

Unfortunately it's also not all positives as many residents complain about the light polution:
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Every night this is your sky. A different challenge for sure.

There's one near Camp Labrie. All night it looks like the sun is setting, in the wrong direction.

 

[AmmoTech90]

Redcliff has greenhouses, so does Medicine Hat. They produce Feb to end of November. December and January they renew their growing medium and do maintenance. We also have a 1 million square foot weed greenhouse that never produced weed. The company over estimated demand. Part of it is used for growing flowers. The veggie greenhouse operations look similar to the Leamington ones, very vertical.

Here's a large one just south of Medicine Hat, across the river, Big Marble Farms, and two others. Big Marble operates year round, supplies Costco across the West.

 

[AmmoTech90]

The Redcliff/Medicine Hat green houses are a fairly big operation, as is Leamington. But I drove by the greenhouses in the Hook of Holland in May, mostly flowers. The Dutch don't mess around, growing, packaging, and shipping all next to each other.


Edit: Apologies for the greenhouse hook in a politics thread.

 

[foresterab]

Redcliff has greenhouses, so does Medicine Hat. They produce Feb to end of November. December and January they renew their growing medium and do maintenance. We also have a 1 million square foot weed greenhouse that never produced weed. The company over estimated demand. Part of it is used for growing flowers. The veggie greenhouse operations look similar to the Leamington ones, very vertical.View attachment 98134

Here's a large one just south of Medicine Hat, across the river, Big Marble Farms, and two others. Big Marble operates year round, supplies Costco across the West.
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Thanks AmmoTech90

I haven't been down to "the Hat" for 30 years...stuck up north passing the Weed greenhouses by Edmonton. But a good reminder that what might new to one area of the country is old news to others.

Frankly the more of this sort of product we can grow internal to Canada the better....as long as we also don't follow the great Canadian tradition of allowing 2-3 companies dominate the market. I'd rather see Canada be in a position to fill Canadian demand and maybe, just maybe...in future international demand. Something to offset US water shortages or Mexico cartel growing operations.

 

[dapaterson]

Everytime someone talks vertical farming I keep thinking - go to Leamington, Ontario.

From a random image found via Google..
View attachment 98129

But what is more important is the scale:
View attachment 98130
I've only seen such large greenhouses in two industries....the canning plants in/around Leamington. And pot growing facilities.

Unfortunately it's also not all positives as many residents complain about the light polution:
View attachment 98131
Every night this is your sky. A different challenge for sure.