New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Rainbow1910]

Inocea Group to Acquire UK's Wave Class Fast Naval Replenishment Fleet to Return Proven NATO Capability to Active Service

Press Release + Noah Note

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Speaking of Davie (their parent company more specifically), it looks like Inocea Group is purchasing the UK's Wave class replenishment vessels with the plan of bringing them back into service in one way or another. I'd guess they'll be contracting or renting them out to various nations abroad, although I have doubts personally if Canada will bite given JSS coming online and the issues with Asterix's contract.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

So Federal Fleet Services just announced that Inocea (Parent Company) has signed an agreement to acquire the two decommissioned RFA Wave Class Fleet Tankers.

Inocea Group to acquire UK's Wave Class fast naval replenishment fleet to return proven NATO capability to active service

 

[Kirkhill]

Inocea Group to Acquire UK's Wave Class Fast Naval Replenishment Fleet to Return Proven NATO Capability to Active Service

Press Release + Noah Note

truenorthstrategicreview.substack.com

Speaking of Davie (their parent company more specifically), it looks like Inocea Group is purchasing the UK's Wave class replenishment vessels with the plan of bringing them back into service in one way or another. I'd guess they'll be contracting or renting them out to various nations abroad, although I have doubts personally if Canada will bite given JSS coming online and the issues with Asterix's contract.

2 ships is a good start for Canada's eventual needs. (Will we have enough Halifaxes at sea to use them?).

As we spool up over the next years does it make sense to build ships for the final fleet size and roleband under-utilize them in the meantime, or, rent services on demand until we can better quantify demand?

 

[Halifax Tar]

So Federal Fleet Services just announced that Inocea (Parent Company) has signed an agreement to acquire the two decommissioned RFA Wave Class Fleet Tankers.

Inocea Group to acquire UK's Wave Class fast naval replenishment fleet to return proven NATO capability to active service

The world needs more AORs. Good on Davie. Find a business case and exploit it.

 

[Rainbow1910]

2 ships is a good start for Canada's eventual needs. (Will we have enough Halifaxes at sea to use them?).

As we spool up over the next years does it make sense to build ships for the final fleet size and roleband under-utilize them in the meantime, or, rent services on demand until we can better quantify demand?

It's unclear if these vessels will be bound for Canada, although it seems unlikely given Asterix's departure and the arrival of the JSS in the future. I would guess if they were focused at Canada specifically, it would have been mentioned. It seems more likely they will be contracted out to or rented to foreign parties.

 

[Halifax Tar]

2 ships is a good start for Canada's eventual needs. (Will we have enough Halifaxes at sea to use them?).

As we spool up over the next years does it make sense to build ships for the final fleet size and roleband under-utilize them in the meantime, or, rent services on demand until we can better quantify demand?

If I was Davie I would try and sell them to NATO and not a specific nation. Similar to how NATO has fleet of AWCS aircraft.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The world needs more AORs. Good on Davie. Find a business case and exploit it.

Its terrible that they'll make money based on the needs of others.....

 

[Kirkhill]

I was thinking of buying a service from a contractor offering the service universally.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Its terrible that they'll make money based on the needs of others.....

Lol awful idea to try and be successful eh ?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Lol awful idea to try and be successful eh ?

To be fair though, I hope to God that they are capable of delivering the CCG icebreakers at a high level of quality.

 

[Halifax Tar]

To be fair though, I hope to God that they are capable of delivering the CCG icebreakers at a high level of quality.

I expect every supplier to provide the product the advertise at the cost the quote.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Lol awful idea to try and be successful eh ?

My major concern is that they will sink any effort to form a Canadian Fleet Auxiliary to run specialized vessels, so we are forced to pay them exorbitant amounts of money to do so.

My guess is they are mainly focused on the USN.

 

[Kirkhill]

My major concern is that they will sink any effort to form a Canadian Fleet Auxiliary to run specialized vessels, so we are forced to pay them exorbitant amounts of money to do so.

That has been the story of the trains, as in wagon trains, throughout history. Wagoneers are fungible. They go where the money goes. When times are hard they will take the shilling and put on the uniform.

....

A couple of nights ago the missus and I were watching the tube and she started chuckling at an add for a robocart trundling down a crowded street on a delivery errand.

I found myself not laughing. As much as I am a big fan of automation that cart was threatening my daughter. Her boyfriend, who she lives with and who pays half her rent, has been surviving doing what that cart does.

....

Pros and cons.

 

[Halifax Tar]

My major concern is that they will sink any effort to form a Canadian Fleet Auxiliary to run specialized vessels, so we are forced to pay them exorbitant amounts of money to do so.

My guess is they are mainly focused on the USN.

If Canada wants a proper Fleet Auxillary that's Canadas task to tackle.

As I said above I'd market this to NATO like the AWCSs.

 

[NavyShooter]

I'd put money on Davie having their eyes on a submarine rescue capability down the road too. That's something that their Federal Fleet Services group could provide, and it'd be available for international assistance as well.

Probably something they could deliver much faster than the RCN could design/procure/implement as well.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'd put money on Davie having their eyes on a submarine rescue capability down the road too. That's something that their Federal Fleet Services group could provide, and it'd be available for international assistance as well.

Probably something they could deliver much faster than the RCN could design/procure/implement as well.

And there is a legitimate need for 2 of them going forward.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting stuff

 

[Halifax Tar]

And there is a legitimate need for 2 of them going forward.

One could argue the RCN and Canada would get more bang for the buck if we were an all submarine and tankers Navy.

 

[Furniture]

One could argue the RCN and Canada would get more bang for the buck if we were an all submarine and tankers Navy.

There are too many jobs where a surface ship is required for that to work.

We need to stop thinking about how to do things on the cheap, and embrace the fact we have the 10th largest economy in the world, based largly on trading. We have no excuse for penny pinching, particularly when it comes to our navy.

 

[Czech_pivo]

One could argue the RCN and Canada would get more bang for the buck if we were an all submarine and tankers Navy.

What would be cool with something like that would be a news headline something like this: "RCN announces largest transit of Canadian Naval Vessels through the Strait of Taiwan ever" and the picture would just be calm blue waters and the rest of the story below it.