The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Maxman1]

Saab partnering with Bombardier to build T-7 Red Tails in Canada would be far more beneficial. On top of giving us a replacement for the Hawk and Tutor, and the possibility of a light fighter/ground attack plane, the US would probably be appreciative of the T-7 program being sped up.

It's almost odd they haven't mentioned anything about the T-7 so far.

 

[Nvlgzr]

T-7 is a partnership between Boeing and SAAB. SAAB being the junior partner .

 

[Maxman1]

T-7 is a partnership between Boeing and SAAB. SAAB being the junior partner .

But is it possible to open another production line in Canada?

 

[GR66]

But is it possible to open another production line in Canada?

I'm not sure if you've been watching the news at all lately, but I don't get the impression that the current US administration is big on the idea of offshoring manufacturing at the moment.

 

[Kirkhill]

I'm not sure if you've been watching the news at all lately, but I don't get the impression that the current US administration is big on the idea of offshoring manufacturing at the moment.

I think the Norwegians and the Aussies might have a different take on that. Defenc(s)e seems to inolve a different calculus than the rest of the market.

If we paid a licence, and adjusted our tariffs and taxes, while actively and effectively took steps to manage our own defence and contribute to mutual defence, i suspect we might get a different read.

 

[GR66]

I think the Norwegians and the Aussies might have a different take on that. Defenc(s)e seems to inolve a different calculus than the rest of the market.

If we paid a licence, and adjusted our tariffs and taxes, while actively and effectively took steps to manage our own defence and contribute to mutual defence, i suspect we might get a different read.

I'm not saying that there isn't the opportunity for US defence contractors to open production in Canada. US companies having foreign production for foreign customers is one thing. However, Canada doesn't require enough T-7's to justify opening a production line here just for our demand and I am VERY confident that the US would not be willing to shift US manufacturing jobs at Boeing to Canada to produce aircraft for the USAF. In the absence of significant foreign demand for Canadian produced T-7's by non-US countries that aren't seeking domestic production of their own then I think you can see why there has been no mention by Saab of producing T-7's here. I'm sure if they saw there was a business case they would have put it on the table to sweeten the Gripen pot.

I continue to contend that the smartest option for Canada to partner with Saab is for a next-gen CCV R&D and production facility in Canada. We'll need these to supplement our F-35 fleet and there is much less political baggage for countries buying foreign UAVs than much more expensive crewed fighters so the opportunities for foreign sales are much greater.

 

[Kirkhill]

I'm not saying that there isn't the opportunity for US defence contractors to open production in Canada. US companies having foreign production for foreign customers is one thing. However, Canada doesn't require enough T-7's to justify opening a production line here just for our demand and I am VERY confident that the US would not be willing to shift US manufacturing jobs at Boeing to Canada to produce aircraft for the USAF. In the absence of significant foreign demand for Canadian produced T-7's by non-US countries that aren't seeking domestic production of their own then I think you can see why there has been no mention by Saab of producing T-7's here. I'm sure if they saw there was a business case they would have put it on the table to sweeten the Gripen pot.

I continue to contend that the smartest option for Canada to partner with Saab is for a next-gen CCV R&D and production facility in Canada. We'll need these to supplement our F-35 fleet and there is much less political baggage for countries buying foreign UAVs than much more expensive crewed fighters so the opportunities for foreign sales are much greater.

I agree entirely.

A CCA is much closer. politically, to a brilliant munition like a missile or Loitering Munition than it is a car or a fridge. It is designed to be wasted. In a good cause.

 

[Nvlgzr]

But is it possible to open another production line in Canada?

Boeing more likely would move some components to Boeing Winnipeg.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Or Montreal, where it already has a lot of components being manufactured.

 

[OldSolduer]

Boeing more likely would move some components to Boeing Winnipeg.

I was chatting with some Boeing reps the other day. The level of detail is astounding.

And although two were from India, they sure knew Boeing history.

 

[Kirkhill]

Or Montreal, where it already has a lot of components being manufactured.

Or both.

Winnipeg could also benefit from its Bristol Aerospace - Magellan history.

Magellan Aerospace, Winnipeg - Magellan Aerospace

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Technical Directions, Inc. and Boeing Sign Memorandum of Understanding for Kratos TDI Engines | Kratos Defense

SAN DIEGO , Oct. 16, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Kratos Defense & Security Solutions , Inc. [Nasdaq: KTOS], a Technology Company in the Defense, National Security and Global Markets, today announced a Memorandum of Understanding between Technical Directions, Inc.

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Boeing, Saab, Kratos, Magellan.... etc

There are an awful lot of options out there just now.

CRV-7 (APKWS II), SAMs, HIMARS family missiles, Low Cost Cruise Missiles, Solid fuel motors, Ramjets, Micro Turbines, Loitering Munitions, Long Range Reusables, CCAs, Light Combat Aircraft --- that entire spectrum exists below the headline F-35/Gripen level of investment.

And all of them are lower risk, and higher usage than fighters. More profitable.

 

[OldSolduer]

Or both.

Winnipeg could also benefit from its Bristol Aerospace - Magellan history.

Magellan Aerospace, Winnipeg - Magellan Aerospace

About this Location Manufactures and engineers complex aeroengine components and assemblies, and offers component repair and overhaul services. Manufactures and engineers advanced aerostructures fabrications, advanced carbon fibre composite assemblies, and proprietary products including small...

magellan.aero

Technical Directions, Inc. and Boeing Sign Memorandum of Understanding for Kratos TDI Engines | Kratos Defense

SAN DIEGO , Oct. 16, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Kratos Defense & Security Solutions , Inc. [Nasdaq: KTOS], a Technology Company in the Defense, National Security and Global Markets, today announced a Memorandum of Understanding between Technical Directions, Inc.

www.kratosdefense.com

Boeing, Saab, Kratos, Magellan.... etc

There are an awful lot of options out there just now.

CRV-7 (APKWS II), SAMs, HIMARS family missiles, Low Cost Cruise Missiles, Solid fuel motors, Ramjets, Micro Turbines, Loitering Munitions, Long Range Reusables, CCAs, Light Combat Aircraft --- that entire spectrum exists below the headline F-35/Gripen level of investment.

And all of them are lower risk, and higher usage than fighters. More profitable.

Standard Aero as well

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'm not sure if you've been watching the news at all lately, but I don't get the impression that the current US administration is big on the idea of offshoring manufacturing at the moment.

Hence the chances of us getting a HIMARS facility is close to zero....

 

[MilEME09]

Or both.

Winnipeg could also benefit from its Bristol Aerospace - Magellan history.

Magellan Aerospace, Winnipeg - Magellan Aerospace

About this Location Manufactures and engineers complex aeroengine components and assemblies, and offers component repair and overhaul services. Manufactures and engineers advanced aerostructures fabrications, advanced carbon fibre composite assemblies, and proprietary products including small...

magellan.aero

Technical Directions, Inc. and Boeing Sign Memorandum of Understanding for Kratos TDI Engines | Kratos Defense

SAN DIEGO , Oct. 16, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Kratos Defense & Security Solutions , Inc. [Nasdaq: KTOS], a Technology Company in the Defense, National Security and Global Markets, today announced a Memorandum of Understanding between Technical Directions, Inc.

www.kratosdefense.com

Boeing, Saab, Kratos, Magellan.... etc

There are an awful lot of options out there just now.

CRV-7 (APKWS II), SAMs, HIMARS family missiles, Low Cost Cruise Missiles, Solid fuel motors, Ramjets, Micro Turbines, Loitering Munitions, Long Range Reusables, CCAs, Light Combat Aircraft --- that entire spectrum exists below the headline F-35/Gripen level of investment.

And all of them are lower risk, and higher usage than fighters. More profitable.

Ive been saying since the Ukrainian war broke out we should be buying CRV7 hand over fist.

 

[Kirkhill]

Hence the chances of us getting a HIMARS facility is close to zero....

Launch a competition and invite Rheinmetall, Elbit and Hanwha to the party and see if Boeing complains about being excluded. And how long it takes for the Donald to react.

Has there been any US opposition to the German and Korean competition to build subs in Canada?

 

[Kirkhill]

Yesterday I got a phone call from an old couple (they're my age) who have been developing a business for 20 years or so. I met them 15 years ago and invested a chunk of elbow grease in helping them design a process. They got investors and were given chances but ended up pursuing avenues that didn't result in the outcome they wanted. They ended up financially disadvantaged.

A funny thing is happening. They are getting phone calls and e-mails. Americans with money are calling them up wondering how they are doing. Wanting to know if there is a business opportunity. An opportunity to invest in America.

Apparently the supply lines aren't what they were and investment in America looks like a safer bet.

One of the couple is an ardent Democrat. Trump gets the blame for the new investors.

 

[KevinB]

Hence the chances of us getting a HIMARS facility is close to zero....

Depends. The US would vastly prefer a second production facility to be LocMart Canada as opposed to anything in Europe…

When you see HIMARS demand versus supply, there is a second launcher source needed — (and a lot more munition production facilities) and there are a number of advantages to having production in Canada as opposed to the US, as it still provides revenue to LocMart (who’s Corporate Address is in FL), but it also offers a ‘non American’ produced item that some Europeans would prefer.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Depends. The US would vastly prefer a second production facility to be LocMart Canada as opposed to anything in Europe…

When you see HIMARS demand versus supply, there is a second launcher source needed — (and a lot more munition production facilities) and there are a number of advantages to having production in Canada as opposed to the US, as it still provides revenue to LocMart (who’s Corporate Address is in FL), but it also offers a ‘non American’ produced item that some Europeans would prefer.

Can you call a few people down there and just make this happen?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Launch a competition and invite Rheinmetall, Elbit and Hanwha to the party and see if Boeing complains about being excluded. And how long it takes for the Donald to react.

Has there been any US opposition to the German and Korean competition to build subs in Canada?

No, but that's because they have shit their own submarine bed with the Australia and don't have time to worry about us.

 

[KevinB]

Can you call a few people down there and just make this happen?

I wish.