The Ghosts of Liberals/ Democrats Past thread.

[Fishbone Jones]

This thread was a suggestion from another poster.

If you have a bitch, point or just a general complaint regarding the past and present liberal governments, or the democrats stateside, put it here.

First question.

AFTER 10 YEARS IN POWER, WHAT IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S LEGACY?

FN Reconciliation worked opposite of the intent. It appears things are more divisive now than before.

Carbon Tax. You can't change the weather by taxing it.

Foriegn Aid. Billions sent off shore, no contracts, no performance objectives, no results. That money will never come back into the Canadian economy. Almost meets all the criteria for money laundering. And it is still happening under carney.

Vaccine Mandates pretty good shit show for a voluntary program. Illegal Emergency Act implementation against truckers and citizens. Probably did as much damage to Ottawa v. The West as the National Energy Policy did.

There's way more, but we needed a start.

 

[ArmyRick]

Was this thread custom made for me? Kidding.

Seriously, I will definitely have things to say. That being said, I will say the TOUGHEST thing to defend is the incumbent government that is currently holding power. Everything they do, say and spend must be scrutinized and accounted for. Its extremely important.

I have criticized both Liberals and Conservatives when they were in power. Even the legendary PM Harper, who in my opinion was the best Prime Minister in my lifetime, and yes I actually criticized him harshly at the time (even stopped voting conservative for a bit, woops, that was a mistake).

PM Paul Martin comes in as a close second in my mind, but the ghost of Liberals past haunted him with the ad scam scandal and a few MPs/staffers shooting their mouths off in the 2006 election campaign (They were viewed as arrogant at the time).

That being said, my first overall criticism of the current PM and his new/old Party of Liberals is he failed to ditch the OLD Trudeau legacy crap and truly take the party in a new direction (Gun grab, Unleash the oil and gas shackles, sticking to the carbon BS/clean energy BS, bail reform, holding onto a different version of old C63 bill, etc). He had a chance to "rebirth" the LPC and failed to do so. Instead what I see is an LPC presented all of their old stupidity with new gift wrapping and a corporate type salesmen to pitch to us under the context of "dangerous and divided" world (AKA Orange man very bad be scared).

 

[ArmyRick]

I think at this immediate time, the "assault style" gun grab is the biggest stain on the LPC. PM MC would have been very wise to drop this one in the trash and leave it there when he succeeded Trudeau. And he could have blamed Trudeau.

Now, I know Nathalie Provost is one of his MPs (she was a witness to the 1989 polytechnic massacre) and she is rabidly anti-gun (I feel for her having such a traumatizing experience but she is targeting the wrong thing IMO)

You have so many police forces refusing to participate in this gong show. That alone should be a big tell.

In the end, this gun grab is certainly not helping him. It may not hurt him now, but sooner or later, the honeymoon Carney is still sort of experiencing will be over and stuff like this can come back to bite him in the ass.

 

[ArmyRick]

The cost of living is another black eye on the Liberals (I will admit is not entirely an LPC problem, but they can have a major influence). Reduce taxation, speed energy and resource development/extraction, get the interprovincial trade opened up, remove as many development and building regulations as possible (ie speed up construction), GET excess spending under control (inflation is the stealthy cost many don't know about).

Deeds not words.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well, another bribed, traitorous 'liberal' has crossed the floor. Carney needs one more for a majority. Three by- elections on deck will probably give our marxist grits the trained seal they need. With a majority, there is an upheaval coming. It's not going to be pretty or healthy.

Carney wrote a book, as many are aware. Not many here have likely read it. Here's an excerpt.



Now, some are fond of saying he's changed. But has he? Carney is on the Founders Board at WEF and the author and co-chair for the Glasgow Finance Alliance for Net Zero (GFANZ), Carney has served as the United Nations Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance since December 2019. In his public writings and speeches, Carney identifies climate change as an existential threat that must be met by a fundamental reorientation of all economic policies. In a BBC-sponsored lecture that he delivered in 2020, he credited 16-year-old Greta Thunberg’s 2018 U.N. address with cementing his convictions that immediate and sweeping changes are required. “With the clarity and certainty of youth, Greta Thunberg was telling us that we were failing,” he said. As well, he serves as chair of the Group of Thirty, a member of the boards of Bloomberg Philanthropies, Harvard University Overseers and The Rideau Hall Foundation.



I fear, we are in for a very rough go, for at least three years. And then more to climb out of the grave that is being dug for Canada.

Keep your powder dry.

 

[Lumber]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

 

[Haggis]

I think at this immediate time, the "assault style" gun grab is the biggest stain on the LPC. PM MC would have been very wise to drop this one in the trash and leave it there when he succeeded Trudeau. And he could have blamed Trudeau.

Now, I know Nathalie Provost is one of his MPs (she was a witness to the 1989 polytechnic massacre) and she is rabidly anti-gun (I feel for her having such a traumatizing experience but she is targeting the wrong thing IMO)

More than that, she was a victim of the gunman who used an illegally modified Ruger Mini-14. The modification failed and the rifle essentially worked only as a bolt action, not the automatic that he intended.

You have so many police forces refusing to participate in this gong show. That alone should be a big tell.

The true tell will come once the amnesty expires and how those police services will now react to government direction to enforce the law against those who they know have those firearms and didn't surrender them.

In the end, this gun grab is certainly not helping him. It may not hurt him now, but sooner or later, the honeymoon Carney is still sort of experiencing will be over and stuff like this can come back to bite him in the ass.

In the court of public opinion, it is helping him. The only ones claiming it's not helping are the gun lobby and gun owners who actually understand this doesn't impact violent crime they way Gary and Nathalie claim it will. Those "weapons" were never "on our streets".

 

[ArmyRick]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

The idea that people speak positively about Pierre and the Conservative party really triggers you, huh?

Or your just not willing to judge the Liberals as the GOVERNING party?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

I would kind of prefer that nobody turned any thread into an echo chamber, thank-you very much….

 

[Lumber]

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

There's a big difference.

The other threads are neutral topics with open positions. "The Liberal Government", "The US government". Who participates will determine whether or not it is an echo chamber, and all sides are invited to participate.

Fishbone started this thread off by stating: "If you have a bitch, point or just a general complaint regarding the past and present liberal governments, or the democrats stateside, put it here."

It's literally a thread to do nothing but provide a one sided view of a particular topic.

Threads can turn into echo chambers, but they can also be course corrected.

This one is literally starting off as a defined echo chamber.

 

[ArmyRick]

There's a big difference.

The other threads are neutral topics with open positions. "The Liberal Government", "The US government". Who participates will determine whether or not it is an echo chamber, and all sides are invited to participate.

Fishbone started this thread off by stating: "If you have a bitch, point or just a general complaint regarding the past and present liberal governments, or the democrats stateside, put it here."

It's literally a thread to do nothing but provide a one sided view of a particular topic.

Threads can turn into echo chambers, but they can also be course corrected.

This one is literally starting off as a defined echo chamber.

So on the Liberal Minority government thread where 80% of it is a harsh criticism of Pierre Poilievre, your ok with?

How about we be ok to pass judgement on the SITTING government of the day?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

So Fishbone quoted the PM and pointed out that it is unlikely that he has changed his position significantly. How is that being a echo-chamber, seems more like speaking out about a justified concern.

 

[Lumber]

So on the Liberal Minority government thread where 80% of it is a harsh criticism of Pierre Poilievre, your ok with?

Yes, why wouldn't I be?

How about we be ok to pass judgement on the SITTING government of the day?

I'm Ok with passing judgement on the sitting government. Again, why wouldn't I be?

What about, what about, what about...

None of what you are saying has anything to do with my complaint about this existence of this thread.

 

[Lumber]

So Fishbone quoted the PM and pointed out that it is unlikely that he has changed his position significantly. How is that being a echo-chamber, seems more like speaking out about a justified concern.

It's not his criticism of the PM. It's building an entire thread not to "discuss" the liberal, but specifically to "gripe" about the liberal party. It doesn't invite dissenting opinion. It's literally meant for only one side of the debate; ergo, echo chamber.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I would kind of prefer that nobody turned any thread into an echo chamber, thank-you very much….

I'd like the Yankees to call me up to play 1st base too.

 

[markppcli]

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

Yes but this is a deliberate single view exclusive thread.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yes but this is a deliberate single view exclusive thread.

Correct, and the other side can start their own version.

 

[brihard]

I can’t recall if it was me specifically or if I was just part of the conversation, but around the start of the month I vaguely recall Fishbone was invited to simply start a threat for generalized griping about the Liberals as it kept coming up tangential to other posts. He did so. Nothing wrong with that if it serves as a bit of a pressure release to keep other threads flowing with less disruption. We can all participate or not as we see fit.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Newspapers covering for him are nothing new. Independent of the lawsuit, why did the RCMP not take any action? Many had an idea he might have been a pedo. However, that aside, it's galling to think we could have been shuck of this parasite a decade ago had people done their jobs.

New Lawsuit Claims Former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Was Caught Accessing Child Pornography by RCMP During His Time in Office

Toronto — A bombshell filing in the Ontario Small Claims Court on April 8, 2026, has revealed a tangled web of personal connections and criminal allegations involving former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, his wife Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, and the Toronto Star.

thecanadianindependent.substack.com

New Lawsuit Claims Former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Was Caught Accessing Child Pornography by RCMP During His Time in Office

Toronto — A bombshell filing in the Ontario Small Claims Court on April 8, 2026, has revealed a tangled web of personal connections and criminal allegations involving former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, his wife Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, and the Toronto Star. The plaintiff, Canadian author of In Trudeau’s Kitchen, Jeffrey Brown, alleges that the newspaper breached its fiduciary duty to the public by suppressing evidence of high-level criminality that could have collapsed the Trudeau Liberal government years before his 2025 exit.

Brown's court filing details an unexpected personal history between him and the Prime Minister's family, which the plaintiff claims began in February 2017 after Trudeau's wife, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, shared some of Brown's writing on Facebook. This initial interaction reportedly sparked a multi-year connection involving the exchange of hundreds of emails, a telephone call, and a private meeting at the family's residence, Rideau Cottage, which Brown notes occurred at her request. Brown claims that he ultimately made three separate efforts to "disconnect" from Mrs. Trudeau and the political world surrounding the Trudeaus between September 2019 and June 2021. He claims that the nature of the responses to these attempts, coupled with his own experiences of the Trudeau family detailed in his book, In Trudeau’s Kitchen, led him to reach out to investigative journalists beginning in January 2021.

According to the filing, on October 21, 2021, a meeting took place between Brown and prominent Toronto Star investigative journalist Robert Cribb. Brown alleges that during a walk along Kew Beach in Toronto, Cribb revealed that the RCMP had discovered the Prime Minister was watching "kiddie porn" (underage pornography) on his devices while monitoring them for potential foreign compromise.

The filing claims the RCMP handed this information to the Toronto Star because they were facing "interactive restrictions" similar to those experienced during the SNC-Lavalin affair. Brown maintains that although Cribb allegedly confirmed the source was credible, the newspaper failed to fulfill its responsibility to share the information with the Canadian public.

The legal argument centers on a "fiduciary duty" Brown claims the Toronto Star owes the public due to its receipt of significant federal subsidies, which he notes reached approximately $115,000 per week in tax credits by 2022. Brown introduces a proposed new tort called "Enhanced Duty Breach," arguing that when a private media enterprise is kept afloat by taxpayer funds, it has a heightened obligation to report bravely on government misconduct. He claims that by choosing to "protect its market share" and filter information through a "politically convenient filter," the newspaper committed nonfeasance and negligent misrepresentation.

Brown is suing for the maximum allowed $50,000 in damages, linking the suppressed information to the continuation of the Trudeau government and the subsequent administration of Mark Carney.

The filing cites a litany of national issues, including the rise of tent cities, inflation, and personal safety concerns, as the "needlessly difficult reality" caused by the media's alleged nondisclosure. The claim includes $20,000 for pain and suffering related to mental distress, $20,000 for quantifiable monetary losses due to rising costs of living, and $10,000 in punitive damages to address the "plague" of withholding newsworthy material.

You can read the court filing at the link below.

SC-26-00004371.pdf

drive.google.com