The Ghosts of Liberals/ Democrats Past thread.

[Fishbone Jones]

This thread was a suggestion from another poster.

If you have a bitch, point or just a general complaint regarding the past and present liberal governments, or the democrats stateside, put it here.

First question.

AFTER 10 YEARS IN POWER, WHAT IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S LEGACY?

FN Reconciliation worked opposite of the intent. It appears things are more divisive now than before.

Carbon Tax. You can't change the weather by taxing it.

Foriegn Aid. Billions sent off shore, no contracts, no performance objectives, no results. That money will never come back into the Canadian economy. Almost meets all the criteria for money laundering. And it is still happening under carney.

Vaccine Mandates pretty good shit show for a voluntary program. Illegal Emergency Act implementation against truckers and citizens. Probably did as much damage to Ottawa v. The West as the National Energy Policy did.

There's way more, but we needed a start.

 

[ArmyRick]

Was this thread custom made for me? Kidding.

Seriously, I will definitely have things to say. That being said, I will say the TOUGHEST thing to defend is the incumbent government that is currently holding power. Everything they do, say and spend must be scrutinized and accounted for. Its extremely important.

I have criticized both Liberals and Conservatives when they were in power. Even the legendary PM Harper, who in my opinion was the best Prime Minister in my lifetime, and yes I actually criticized him harshly at the time (even stopped voting conservative for a bit, woops, that was a mistake).

PM Paul Martin comes in as a close second in my mind, but the ghost of Liberals past haunted him with the ad scam scandal and a few MPs/staffers shooting their mouths off in the 2006 election campaign (They were viewed as arrogant at the time).

That being said, my first overall criticism of the current PM and his new/old Party of Liberals is he failed to ditch the OLD Trudeau legacy crap and truly take the party in a new direction (Gun grab, Unleash the oil and gas shackles, sticking to the carbon BS/clean energy BS, bail reform, holding onto a different version of old C63 bill, etc). He had a chance to "rebirth" the LPC and failed to do so. Instead what I see is an LPC presented all of their old stupidity with new gift wrapping and a corporate type salesmen to pitch to us under the context of "dangerous and divided" world (AKA Orange man very bad be scared).

 

[ArmyRick]

I think at this immediate time, the "assault style" gun grab is the biggest stain on the LPC. PM MC would have been very wise to drop this one in the trash and leave it there when he succeeded Trudeau. And he could have blamed Trudeau.

Now, I know Nathalie Provost is one of his MPs (she was a witness to the 1989 polytechnic massacre) and she is rabidly anti-gun (I feel for her having such a traumatizing experience but she is targeting the wrong thing IMO)

You have so many police forces refusing to participate in this gong show. That alone should be a big tell.

In the end, this gun grab is certainly not helping him. It may not hurt him now, but sooner or later, the honeymoon Carney is still sort of experiencing will be over and stuff like this can come back to bite him in the ass.

 

[ArmyRick]

The cost of living is another black eye on the Liberals (I will admit is not entirely an LPC problem, but they can have a major influence). Reduce taxation, speed energy and resource development/extraction, get the interprovincial trade opened up, remove as many development and building regulations as possible (ie speed up construction), GET excess spending under control (inflation is the stealthy cost many don't know about).

Deeds not words.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well, another bribed, traitorous 'liberal' has crossed the floor. Carney needs one more for a majority. Three by- elections on deck will probably give our marxist grits the trained seal they need. With a majority, there is an upheaval coming. It's not going to be pretty or healthy.

Carney wrote a book, as many are aware. Not many here have likely read it. Here's an excerpt.



Now, some are fond of saying he's changed. But has he? Carney is on the Founders Board at WEF and the author and co-chair for the Glasgow Finance Alliance for Net Zero (GFANZ), Carney has served as the United Nations Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance since December 2019. In his public writings and speeches, Carney identifies climate change as an existential threat that must be met by a fundamental reorientation of all economic policies. In a BBC-sponsored lecture that he delivered in 2020, he credited 16-year-old Greta Thunberg’s 2018 U.N. address with cementing his convictions that immediate and sweeping changes are required. “With the clarity and certainty of youth, Greta Thunberg was telling us that we were failing,” he said. As well, he serves as chair of the Group of Thirty, a member of the boards of Bloomberg Philanthropies, Harvard University Overseers and The Rideau Hall Foundation.



I fear, we are in for a very rough go, for at least three years. And then more to climb out of the grave that is being dug for Canada.

Keep your powder dry.

 

[Lumber]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

 

[Haggis]

I think at this immediate time, the "assault style" gun grab is the biggest stain on the LPC. PM MC would have been very wise to drop this one in the trash and leave it there when he succeeded Trudeau. And he could have blamed Trudeau.

Now, I know Nathalie Provost is one of his MPs (she was a witness to the 1989 polytechnic massacre) and she is rabidly anti-gun (I feel for her having such a traumatizing experience but she is targeting the wrong thing IMO)

More than that, she was a victim of the gunman who used an illegally modified Ruger Mini-14. The modification failed and the rifle essentially worked only as a bolt action, not the automatic that he intended.

You have so many police forces refusing to participate in this gong show. That alone should be a big tell.

The true tell will come once the amnesty expires and how those police services will now react to government direction to enforce the law against those who they know have those firearms and didn't surrender them.

In the end, this gun grab is certainly not helping him. It may not hurt him now, but sooner or later, the honeymoon Carney is still sort of experiencing will be over and stuff like this can come back to bite him in the ass.

In the court of public opinion, it is helping him. The only ones claiming it's not helping are the gun lobby and gun owners who actually understand this doesn't impact violent crime they way Gary and Nathalie claim it will. Those "weapons" were never "on our streets".

 

[ArmyRick]

Jesus. There's echo chambers, and then there's ECHO CHAMBERS.
Never thought I'd see the latter, but, here we are.

The idea that people speak positively about Pierre and the Conservative party really triggers you, huh?

Or your just not willing to judge the Liberals as the GOVERNING party?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

I would kind of prefer that nobody turned any thread into an echo chamber, thank-you very much….

 

[Lumber]

There is a score of left leaning members on this forum that have turned just about every political thread into their own echo chamber and seem to take a readable glee in dog pilling anyone who disagrees with them. And they get away with it.

Let their opposite numbers have their own space.

There's a big difference.

The other threads are neutral topics with open positions. "The Liberal Government", "The US government". Who participates will determine whether or not it is an echo chamber, and all sides are invited to participate.

Fishbone started this thread off by stating: "If you have a bitch, point or just a general complaint regarding the past and present liberal governments, or the democrats stateside, put it here."

It's literally a thread to do nothing but provide a one sided view of a particular topic.

Threads can turn into echo chambers, but they can also be course corrected.

This one is literally starting off as a defined echo chamber.