Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Czech_pivo]

The crazies in the LPC may stop feeling the Carney vibe and go back home top the NDP


What policy or direction of the current CPC is "far right" Specifics please.

They might, but based on what I saw during the NDP leadership convention, I'm not sure that they'd be viewed as 'crazy enough'.....

 

[ArmyRick]

@Altair how am I trolling? Lets hear it.

 

[Altair]

It feels like were drifting to towards the LPC dominating the centre as the party of governance, where the only principle is pragmatism, with the NDP and CPC becoming the parties of Left and Right wing vibes content to stand their ground and argue against the world. That might be fine for a term or two, but will be a distaster for our democracy.

What policy or direction of the current CPC is "far right" Specifics please.

Meh.

 

[ArmyRick]

Meh.

Thats what I thought.

 

[captloadie]

We put so much emphasis on the names "Conservative" and "Liberal" tying all past iterations of the parties to their current positions. I believe that if Mark Carney were wearing a blue tie, and leading the current government, making all the same decisions, most of the anti-liberal posters would be praising his governance and decisions (gun reform being the one topic that would need to change). The forum would be full of posts about how well the government was doing in these times of crisis. There would be almost no condescension because we as a forum lean toward progressive conservatism, and have driven off most of the past left leaning members of the forum.

Maybe this is because the Liberal Party of Canada has remained relatively the same over the decades, sliding left or right in their politics depending on the social desires of the loudest parts of the population. The CPC, on the other hand, has gone through multiple iterations since I became of voting age, being the PCs, the Reformers, the CPC, with group splintering off like the PPC. I think they have actually had a much greater swing of policy positions, trying to incorporate everything from far right religious beliefs, to accepting more left leaning policies (abortion, same sex, etc.)

The idea of Mark Carney poaching the best MPs from all parties, so he can put the best qualified people in cabinet to get the most important things implemented and moving forward should be something we see as being party agnostic and best for the country. He could then ride off into the sunset in 2029, having cemented his legacy in Canadian politics with nothing else he needs to accomplish in government.

 

[ArmyRick]

We put so much emphasis on the names "Conservative" and "Liberal" tying all past iterations of the parties to their current positions. I believe that if Mark Carney were wearing a blue tie, and leading the current government, making all the same decisions, most of the anti-liberal posters would be praising his governance and decisions (gun reform being the one topic that would need to change). The forum would be full of posts about how well the government was doing in these times of crisis. There would be almost no condescension because we as a forum lean toward progressive conservatism, and have driven off most of the past left leaning members of the forum.

Maybe this is because the Liberal Party of Canada has remained relatively the same over the decades, sliding left or right in their politics depending on the social desires of the loudest parts of the population. The CPC, on the other hand, has gone through multiple iterations since I became of voting age, being the PCs, the Reformers, the CPC, with group splintering off like the PPC. I think they have actually had a much greater swing of policy positions, trying to incorporate everything from far right religious beliefs, to accepting more left leaning policies (abortion, same sex, etc.)

The idea of Mark Carney poaching the best MPs from all parties, so he can put the best qualified people in cabinet to get the most important things implemented and moving forward should be something we see as being party agnostic and best for the country. He could then ride off into the sunset in 2029, having cemented his legacy in Canadian politics with nothing else he needs to accomplish in government.

That means we actually need results...and to date, those are very, very few.

 

[RangerRay]

I did suggest after the election that Carney invite the Tories into a Grand Coalition government of national unity. Looks like he’s going about that in a different manner than I would have.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I did suggest after the election that Carney invite the Tories into a Grand Coalition government of national unity. Looks like he’s going about that in a different manner than I would have.

Given that the individual overtures are happening behind closed doors, who's to say a collective/grand one didn't also? Takes two to tango

 

[IKnowNothing]

The crazies in the LPC may stop feeling the Carney vibe and go back home top the NDP

They might. And the red tories might abandon as well. The coalition will likely fail at some point.

If it doesn't, that's bad because it's because it means the electorate sees no real alternatives, so the governing party face next to zero accountability
If it does, it's quite likely bad because the exodus to both wings will likely lead to a re-creation of US style polarization

What policy or direction of the current CPC is "far right" Specifics please.

I didn't say "far" I said "Left and Right wing vibes content to stand their ground and argue against the world"

Call the centre 0, and "far right" 5. Let's say PP's CPC is a 3. I think that's fair. I don't think his policy is far right. The issue is that he rejects anything less than say, 2.5 as not conservative. The solution to every problem is a 3. Any solution that isn't a 3 is a disaster. Any person left of 3 is the enemy. Compromise is weakness.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The crazies in the LPC may stop feeling the Carney vibe and go back home top the NDP


What policy or direction of the current CPC is "far right" Specifics please.

Now @IKnowNothing is free to correct me here, and I don't mean to talk for them; But I didn't read their post as meaning far left or right. Just that the LPC is now commanding the middle, which is arguably true, and the NDP and CPC are being made left and right wing parties with little to no share of the middle.

 

[Halifax Tar]

@Altair how am I trolling? Lets hear it.

You're not. Ignore him.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We put so much emphasis on the names "Conservative" and "Liberal" tying all past iterations of the parties to their current positions. I believe that if Mark Carney were wearing a blue tie, and leading the current government, making all the same decisions, most of the anti-liberal posters would be praising his governance and decisions (gun reform being the one topic that would need to change). The forum would be full of posts about how well the government was doing in these times of crisis. There would be almost no condescension because we as a forum lean toward progressive conservatism, and have driven off most of the past left leaning members of the forum.

Maybe this is because the Liberal Party of Canada has remained relatively the same over the decades, sliding left or right in their politics depending on the social desires of the loudest parts of the population. The CPC, on the other hand, has gone through multiple iterations since I became of voting age, being the PCs, the Reformers, the CPC, with group splintering off like the PPC. I think they have actually had a much greater swing of policy positions, trying to incorporate everything from far right religious beliefs, to accepting more left leaning policies (abortion, same sex, etc.)

The idea of Mark Carney poaching the best MPs from all parties, so he can put the best qualified people in cabinet to get the most important things implemented and moving forward should be something we see as being party agnostic and best for the country. He could then ride off into the sunset in 2029, having cemented his legacy in Canadian politics with nothing else he needs to accomplish in government.

I don't often agree with you, but I will here.

I have voted LPC many times in the past. But what JT and LPC has done to this country and to me I just cant forgive. Its still the same party with many of the same people.

If an election were held to day it would be first time I either wouldn't vote or I would spoil my ballot. Not a soul in our parliament is worth my mark or my time at this moment.

 

[HavokFour]

Her stance on certain social issues doesn't seem like it's going to be a problem if she follows through.

Definitely a technocratic pickup. Pragmatic PM being pragmatic.

New floor-crosser Gladu ‘will vote with the government’ on social issues, PM Carney says

Prime Minister Mark Carney says he spoke to longtime Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu before she crossed the floor to join the Liberals about her previous positions on social issues.

www.ctvnews.ca

As for what another floor crosser is saying.

Plenty of ‘unhappy people’ in Conservative caucus: floor-crossing MP d’Entremont

Liberal MP Chris d’Entremont, who crossed the floor from the Conservatives in November, says current Conservative MPs have “absolutely” asked him what it’s like being a Liberal.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[IKnowNothing]

Her stance on certain social issues doesn't seem like it's going to be a problem if she follows through.

Definitely a technocratic pickup.

New floor-crosser Gladu ‘will vote with the government’ on social issues, PM Carney says

Prime Minister Mark Carney says he spoke to longtime Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu before she crossed the floor to join the Liberals about her previous positions on social issues.

www.ctvnews.ca

As for what another floor crosser is saying.

Plenty of ‘unhappy people’ in Conservative caucus: floor-crossing MP d’Entremont

Liberal MP Chris d’Entremont, who crossed the floor from the Conservatives in November, says current Conservative MPs have “absolutely” asked him what it’s like being a Liberal.

www.ctvnews.ca

That's a hell of line

The source said Liberals have promised to unite the country, and that “unity doesn’t mean uniformity.”

 

[brihard]

Conveniently timed, rhe LOC are meeting today through Saturday for their party policy convention. I’m interested to see what shifts in policy come out of this.

Liberals huddle for 1st big policy convention without Trudeau

Liberal party members are gathering in Montreal and, for the first time in more than a decade, Justin Trudeau and his personal brand of politics won’t tower over the party’s proceedings.

www.ctvnews.ca

Worth noting: Marilyn Gladu’s floor crossing doesn’t put the LPC ‘on the cusp’ of a majority. The media’s mostly getting that wrong. She actually gave them the majority. With three of Parliament’s 343 seats currently vacant, 171 is a majority. LPC were tied with all other parties at 170 before she crossed and it’s now 171-169 (140 + 22 + 6 + 1). The by-elections and/or any more floor crossings will simply cement that in the math of a full Parliament, but if any confidence matter came up today the LPC could carry it. We might as well rename the thread.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Conveniently timed, rhe LOC are meeting today through Saturday for their party policy convention. I’m interested to see what shifts in policy come out of this.

Liberals huddle for 1st big policy convention without Trudeau

Liberal party members are gathering in Montreal and, for the first time in more than a decade, Justin Trudeau and his personal brand of politics won’t tower over the party’s proceedings.

www.ctvnews.ca

Worth noting: Marilyn Gladu’s floor crossing doesn’t put the LPC ‘on the cusp’ of a majority. The media’s mostly getting that wrong. She actually gave them the majority. With three of Parliament’s 343 seats currently vacant, 171 is a majority. LPC were tied with all other parties at 170 before she crossed and it’s now 171-169 (140 + 22 + 6 + 1). The by-elections and/or any more floor crossings will simply cement that in the math of a full Parliament, but if any confidence matter came up today the LPC could carry it. We might as well rename the thread.

Point taken -- keeping it broad to reflect the broader history of the state of majority/minority play.

Army.ca Staff

 

[Cloud Cover]

That means we actually need results...and to date, those are very, very few.

There will only be marginal results, but the good thing is trillions will be spent on the right people and yet somehow still managing to accomplish very little, as is the now established custom in the Toronto- Halifax regions.

 

[HavokFour]

Conveniently timed, rhe LOC are meeting today through Saturday for their party policy convention. I’m interested to see what shifts in policy come out of this.

Liberals huddle for 1st big policy convention without Trudeau

Liberal party members are gathering in Montreal and, for the first time in more than a decade, Justin Trudeau and his personal brand of politics won’t tower over the party’s proceedings.

www.ctvnews.ca

Worth noting: Marilyn Gladu’s floor crossing doesn’t put the LPC ‘on the cusp’ of a majority. The media’s mostly getting that wrong. She actually gave them the majority. With three of Parliament’s 343 seats currently vacant, 171 is a majority. LPC were tied with all other parties at 170 before she crossed and it’s now 171-169 (140 + 22 + 6 + 1). The by-elections and/or any more floor crossings will simply cement that in the math of a full Parliament, but if any confidence matter came up today the LPC could carry it. We might as well rename the thread.

This will be something to watch. A lot of Trudeau era policy is potentially about to get cleared out.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There will only be marginal results, but the good thing is trillions will be spent on the right people and yet somehow still managing to accomplish very little, as is the now established custom in the Toronto- Halifax regions.

How is Halifax involved in this ?

Canada really only exists from Windsor Ont east to Riviere Du Loup Que; and North from Cornwall Ont to Ottawa.

Don't confuse the clapping seals out here as a cohort who belongs to the triangle of Canada.

 

[GR66]

This will be something to watch. A lot of Trudeau era policy is potentially about to get cleared out.

There will definitely be stuff proposed and even passed at this policy convention that will cause great weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

However, as is pointed out when looney-left proposals are passed at NDP conventions or hard-right social conservative proposals are passed at CPC conventions it's important to remember that parties are not bound by the policies passed at these conventions by the general membership.

I'd listen more to the tone and content of the speeches given by the party leadership than the policy items proposed or passed on the floor of the convention for a true sense of what direction the party is heading.