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Seniors Benefits Discussion- split from Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

ytz

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Tax burden vs visible return is a common frustration. People feel like they’re paying more but not seeing proportional improvements.

Depends who you are. Certain groups do quite well. The people in this article are complaining about having to cut back their annual vacation in Europe from 3 to 2 weeks and spend more time at their vacation home in Mexico. People like this get OAS.

 
Depends who you are. Certain groups do quite well. The people in this article are complaining about having to cut back their annual vacation in Europe from 3 to 2 weeks and spend more time at their vacation home in Mexico. People like this get OAS.


Im pretty sure the actual problem is the younger generations are just lazy ;)
 
Im pretty sure the actual problem is the younger generations are just lazy ;)

Imagine the audacity. Young people are filming themselves screaming about bills. And these mfers are whining about having to spend too much time at their vacation home. They happily volunteered for this interview and had no shame in this being published.
 
Imagine the audacity. Young people are filming themselves screaming about bills. And these mfers are whining about having to spend too much time at their vacation home. They happily volunteered for this interview and had no shame in this being published.

Shocking eh ? You know in times of yore we would have violent uprisings and revolts. That's the one area we actually are lazy.
 
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Shocking eh ? You know in times of yore we would have violent uprisings and revolts. That's the one area we actually are lazy.

Now. Now. Don't you know I'm the real threat with my fiscally profligate ways suggesting we spend 5% of what they spend on OAS for infrastructure that benefits at least a third of the population? Blame the rail advocate. Don't look at the poor senior who needs a vacation from their vacation home.
 
Imagine the audacity. Young people are filming themselves screaming about bills. And these mfers are whining about having to spend too much time at their vacation home. They happily volunteered for this interview and had no shame in this being published.
So Canadians who have had a successful career,, and have paid taxes on their earnings are MFers? Because they are enjoying the fruits of their labours? And there should be a revolt?

Do you think the Government should strip the assets of those Canadian taxpayers to somehow level the playing field?

If I have it right, Canada is a loser country in the eyes of many because there is no drive, very low productivity, too small an entrepreneurial class, no true venture capital etc.

Vilifying those who have either demonstrated those traits or have benefitted from those that have sure seems like an odd way to address those ills.

Am I to be vilified? My pension is larger than the median family income in Canada, and I am not eligible for OAS. Mind you, so is the salary of almost all military members after the raise. Should I stop earning now that i have retired from my military career so I don't take up work that could be done by a younger and apparently more valued member of society? Should it be illegal for me to buy the cottage that I have been eyeing up? Should I be forced to sell my motorcycle?

In short, WTF????
 
So Canadians who have had a successful career,, and have paid taxes on their earnings are MFers? Because they are enjoying the fruits of their labours? And there should be a revolt?

They can enjoy the fruits of their labour. What we're questioning is why the rest of us should be subsidizing them. OAS was originally meant to keep seniors out of poverty. Not to fund vacations in Europe. Support programs even had asset tests decades ago. We got rid of those and give people with six figure incomes pogey. In any other context, that would be considered absurd.

As somebody on track for a $90k per year pension in a few years, I'm more than happy to say that me and anybody else in my income bracket shouldn't get a penny of OAS. There are many other priorities that need to be addressed in this country. Most notably child poverty which is now double that of seniors I believe. Infrastructure backlogs. The deficit. And defence spending. Absurd to defend welfare for the rich when the list of everything else we have to do is a mile long.
 
They can enjoy the fruits of their labour. What we're questioning is why the rest of us should be subsidizing them. OAS was originally meant to keep seniors out of poverty. Not to fund vacations in Europe. Support programs even had asset tests decades ago. We got rid of those and give people with six figure incomes pogey. In any other context, that would be considered absurd.

As somebody on track for a $90k per year pension in a few years, I'm more than happy to say that me and anybody else in my income bracket shouldn't get a penny of OAS. There are many other priorities that need to be addressed in this country. Most notably child poverty which is now double that of seniors I believe. Infrastructure backlogs. The deficit. And defence spending. Absurd to defend welfare for the rich when the list of everything else we have to do is a mile long.

Arguably they are hoarding the fruits of the laubours, which they really haven't earned either. They created all these social programs, underfunded and didn't maintain them for generations and they now expect the on coming generations cover that gap prop up their continued lavish lifestyle.
 
They can enjoy the fruits of their labour. What we're questioning is why the rest of us should be subsidizing them. OAS was originally meant to keep seniors out of poverty. Not to fund vacations in Europe. Support programs even had asset tests decades ago. We got rid of those and give people with six figure incomes pogey. In any other context, that would be considered absurd.

As somebody on track for a $90k per year pension in a few years, I'm more than happy to say that me and anybody else in my income bracket shouldn't get a penny of OAS. There are many other priorities that need to be addressed in this country. Most notably child poverty which is now double that of seniors I believe. Infrastructure backlogs. The deficit. And defence spending. Absurd to defend welfare for the rich when the list of everything else we have to do is a mile long.
and perhaps, if us old folks were observing government behaviour that wasn't indulging itself in profligate spending we would agree with you. Then again, perhaps not as we side with our beloved ex-pm: I am entitled to my entitlements.
 
Arguably they are hoarding the fruits of the laubours, which they really haven't earned either. They created all these social programs, underfunded and didn't maintain them for generations and they now expect the on coming generations cover that gap prop up their continued lavish lifestyle.
We didn't create those programmes and for the most part we didn't profit from them. Those programmes were vote buying efforts to keep us voting liberal. Each of us has a circle of maybe 100. I don't know about your group but there isn't a single one of mine who had anything to do with demanding or instigating any of the nanny state initiatives. In fact most of us were opposed. So who are those creators that you are blaming for this mess.
 
Arguably they are hoarding the fruits of the laubours, which they really haven't earned either. They created all these social programs, underfunded and didn't maintain them for generations and they now expect the on coming generations cover that gap prop up their continued lavish lifestyle.

The whole thing is absurd. We created CPP to ensure Seniors have dignified retirement. We funded that with PAYGO but set the payout below the poverty line. We created OAS to ensure Seniors wouldn't live in poverty. But we made that a mile wide and an inch deep. So it didn't do anything to fix elder poverty. So we then created GIS on top.

We're now in this absurd situation where seniors who had good jobs with DB pensions can fly to Europe every year while collecting OAS, while seniors on GIS don't make enough to properly pay rent. Ridiculous.

Scrap OAS and GIS and make a guaranteed income program that tops up every senior to the Low income cut off for their postal code (with additional compensation for health and disabilities). And set CPP contributions and pay outs high enough that a normal working life will yield a CPP payout at or above the LICO in most of the country. And in the interim can we at least stop paying pogey to the jet set.

No senior and no child should live in poverty. And vacations shouldn't be taxpayer subsidized. Controversial ideas. I know.
 
They can enjoy the fruits of their labour. What we're questioning is why the rest of us should be subsidizing them. OAS was originally meant to keep seniors out of poverty. Not to fund vacations in Europe. Support programs even had asset tests decades ago. We got rid of those and give people with six figure incomes pogey. In any other context, that would be considered absurd.

As somebody on track for a $90k per year pension in a few years, I'm more than happy to say that me and anybody else in my income bracket shouldn't get a penny of OAS. There are many other priorities that need to be addressed in this country. Most notably child poverty which is now double that of seniors I believe. Infrastructure backlogs. The deficit. And defence spending. Absurd to defend welfare for the rich when the list of everything else we have to do is a mile long.
Those individuals who consistently saved year in and year out over 20-30-40yrs towards their retirement in the past shouldn't be penalized for this or demonized for it. To me, its the old Ant vs Grasshopper story. EACH person has the ability to be the Ant or the Grasshopper. They each have free will and their actions later in life will have consequences.

With that being said, OAS should be geared towards individuals who worked 20-30-40yrs in lower paying jobs, paying into CPP the entire time, and used to top off their retirement payments. Should someone who consistently made 90-100k+ a year but didn't save for their retirement get OAS because their retirement income is going to be only 30k/yr? No, not to me.

I'd rather 'reward' that person who shlepped coffee at Tim Hortons or was a hotel maid or a ECE or a grocery clerk for 20-30-40yrs making 30-50k/yr with a better retirement life, meaning full OAS, than the person making 90k going off on vacation to Florida, Cuba or where ever, leasing a big truck or foreign SUV, the newest iPhone in their hand, getting Door Dash 3-5times a week, all the time not saving adequately for their retirement and then crying poverty when they turn 65.

Without forgetting our 'morals' and 'sense of 'community/right and wrong', following the words of the now dead Deng Xiaoping - 'To get rich is glorious' Somehow we Canadians are to meek and too afraid to say this phase loudly and proudly.

Every problem has a solution lying out there waiting to be found. High gas prices at the pumps? Stop complaining about it and spend an hour or three and research which gas/oil companies are the best to invest in. Open a TFSA or RSP and start buying the company that look bests for you. In the end you'll be making money and rising gas/oil prices will effect you less than before.

There's another old investing phase - 'Know what you own and why you own it." I believe that's from Peter Lynch. I follow this in virtually all long term investments that I own. When my kids where younger we used Pampers instead of Huggies. I had no clue why. I asked my wife, she said that she had begun asking all of her friends who had kids before us which diapers they used and why? (Market Research, product understanding). She said that the majority said 'Pampers' and that their reasons made sense to her, so we used Pampers. Well, I looked at who made Pampers 19-20yrs ago, Procter & Gamble. I knew little about them as a company 20yrs ago. I looked at what use they made - Tide laundry detergent, oh, we used Tidy for our laundry. They made Gillette razors, well both myself and my wife used them. Head & Shoulders, I used it. Vicks cold medicine, yup, we used it. Ivory dish soap, again, we used it. Febreze - again, we used it. Crest toothpaste, yes we used it. After 10mins of going through their product list 20yrs ago and seeing just how many of their products we used throughout the house and how much money that must translate yearly into, money that we were handing over to them, I realised that owning Procter & Gamble made HUGE sense to me. I knew their products and I now knew why I had to own them. Happy to say that 20yrs later I still own P & G and that I've added to my original investment periodically over the last 20yrs.
 
We didn't create those programmes and for the most part we didn't profit from them. Those programmes were vote buying efforts to keep us voting liberal. Each of us has a circle of maybe 100. I don't know about your group but there isn't a single one of mine who had anything to do with demanding or instigating any of the nanny state initiatives. In fact most of us were opposed. So who are those creators that you are blaming for this mess.

So you should be fine then with the programs being changed....
 
The whole thing is absurd. We created CPP to ensure Seniors have dignified retirement. We funded that with PAYGO but set the payout below the poverty line. We created OAS to ensure Seniors wouldn't live in poverty. But we made that a mile wide and an inch deep. So it didn't do anything to fix elder poverty. So we then created GIS on top.

We're now in this absurd situation where seniors who had good jobs with DB pensions can fly to Europe every year while collecting OAS, while seniors on GIS don't make enough to properly pay rent. Ridiculous.

Scrap OAS and GIS and make a guaranteed income program that tops up every senior to the Low income cut off for their postal code (with additional compensation for health and disabilities). And set CPP contributions and pay outs high enough that a normal working life will yield a CPP payout at or above the LICO in most of the country. And in the interim can we at least stop paying pogey to the jet set.

No senior and no child should live in poverty. Controversial idea. I know.
What about those seniors living in 1+million homes but have an income below poverty levels? Should we subsidize them? They are sitting on a 1+million asset that will just go to their children eventually. Shouldn't their assets - all of their assets - be available to fund their retirement, their cost of living?
 
answer the question, who are these people who are hoarding their entitlements

I didn't use "hoarding". Halifax Tar did. But I'll back him up. Seniors as a cohort are the group with the highest proportion of assets and the lowest levels of poverty of any group in the group in the country. To some extent, they are "hoarding" assets.

During the era of asset tests, seniors had to downsize, because support was somewhat contingent on not being very asset heavy. You couldn't live in a million dollar house and access government programs. We got rid of asset testing and today you can do exactly that. This has led to the absurd situation of seniors being the richest, least impoverished and yet most subsidized cohort in the country.

If you're a senior this may feel like an attack on you. It's not. It's simply a request to go back to how things used to be.
 
Those individuals who consistently saved year in and year out over 20-30-40yrs towards their retirement in the past shouldn't be penalized for this or demonized for it. To me, its the old Ant vs Grasshopper story. EACH person has the ability to be the Ant or the Grasshopper. They each have free will and their actions later in life will have consequences.

More akin to an old ant creating policies that take from young grasshoppers...

With that being said, OAS should be geared towards individuals who worked 20-30-40yrs in lower paying jobs, paying into CPP the entire time, and used to top off their retirement payments. Should someone who consistently made 90-100k+ a year but didn't save for their retirement get OAS because their retirement income is going to be only 30k/yr? No, not to me.

Public programs shouldn't have moral judgement. Also, shit happens, people can get sick. They have to support family. Etc. I think it's just flat out hard to administer for all that.

What we want is that seniors don't live in poverty and that the programs don't end up eating all the fiscal room in the federal budget. That isn't a difficult goal. End payments to those with high incomes. Boost payments to those with low incomes. No need to look at past earnings and all that jazz. You're 70 years old and file a tax return with 100k income? You don't need OAS. You're 70 years old and file an income of $20k? Maybe you need $10k to get you up to the LICO. Should be that simple.
 
Mods, should we severe OAS/Pensions/CPP off into its own thread?

When OAS/GIS is greater than the entire federal deficit and until recently was greater than defence spending all child benefits COMBINED, I would say it's highly relevant to our federal politics. Shunting it off is just a way of shutting down discussion.
 
When OAS/GIS is greater than the entire federal deficit and until recently was greater than defence spending all child benefits COMBINED, I would say it's highly relevant to our federal politics. Shunting it off is just a way of shutting down discussion.
It is relevant but so are many other things. It is a huge topic that spans WAY beyond this Liberal governemnt and is impacted by our whole society over the last several decades. So I stand my request to mods.
 
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