CAF MP SUES DND AND SIG SAUER

[markppcli]

Yeah, if a pistol is your only weapon (lack of rifle mags indicate this) while you're standing around in the woods, you don't really have a weapon.

Why bother.

Im more bothered by the "Hey here's this expensive holster thats fitted to keep stuff away from the trigger mechanism and has 3 different mounting options"

"Yeah ill jusr jam it in my empty mag pouc thanks"

@brihard they're issued good holsters with thigh, drop leg, and molle attachment options.

 

[AmmoTech90]

Im more bothered by the "Hey here's this expensive holster thats fitted to keep stuff away from the trigger mechanism and has 3 different mounting options"

Yep, very valid points.

 

[brihard]

Im more bothered by the "Hey here's this expensive holster thats fitted to keep stuff away from the trigger mechanism and has 3 different mounting options"

"Yeah ill jusr jam it in my empty mag pouc thanks"

@brihard they're issued good holsters with thigh, drop leg, and molle attachment options.

FFS

 

[MilEME09]

Im more bothered by the "Hey here's this expensive holster thats fitted to keep stuff away from the trigger mechanism and has 3 different mounting options"

"Yeah ill jusr jam it in my empty mag pouc thanks"

@brihard they're issued good holsters with thigh, drop leg, and molle attachment options.

And any NCO on the line should kick them off right away. The issued holster is mandated as part of the safety system for the pistol. Trying ti do something else should get you kicked off the range immediately. This was heavily emphasized to us in the train the trainer course. If someone NDs or god forbid shoots them selves and they didnt use the authorized holster, they would automatically be liable for not using the pistol as directed.

 

[Booter]

In most cases, the way our ROE are written, drawing to point and racking to chamber a round were seen as an escalation step demonstrating our resolve and intent to use deadly force.

I was on a team in another federal department where the “rack” was an actual use of force technique during a longer static event. Rounds were examined post incident etc and so things like a .223 where there was an indentation on the primer was investigated as an unreported use of force.

you just needed to report and explain why you skipped ahead. There were lots of reasons why you did.

Strange times. But your comment reminded me of that.

 

[McG]

Im more bothered by the "Hey here's this expensive holster thats fitted to keep stuff away from the trigger mechanism and has 3 different mounting options"

"Yeah ill jusr jam it in my empty mag pouc thanks"

I suspect the field force guerrilla war against the Tac Vest has build a culture where everyone other than "the system" knows best what they need for their own load carriage.

 

[Haggis]

I was on a team in another federal department where the “rack” was an actual use of force technique during a longer static event. Rounds were examined post incident etc and so things like a .223 where there was an indentation on the primer was investigated as an unreported use of force.

you just needed to report and explain why you skipped ahead. There were lots of reasons why you did.

Strange times. But your comment reminded me of that.

During the G8/G20 conference in 2010, the ROE were updated and redistributed almost daily. In one instance, an updated ROE card was issued with a glaring omission allowing soldiers to go from presence and verbal intervention to lethal force in a heartbeat as several paragraphs were dropped during editing. Needless to say, the CO and I put an immediate stop to the distribution of those cards.