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Ontario Government (Conservative majority), 2025-29

It was even better if you were a 'shop teacher'. They all came from industry and did a summer course (or maybe two) on 'how to be a teacher'. The professional academics put an end to that. How many high schools have shops now?

It's like when I took 'law enforcement' at community college. All of our profs were retired coppers. Professional academics have pretty much put an end to that. Some colleges still have some ex-coppers as part-time faculty.
Colleges and universities interestingly enough have no formal standards for this and will ‘generally’ hire competent people from the field.

The shops teacher part irks me. I would likely switch to being a shops teacher (red seal machinist, working on getting a red seal millwright ticket too, have the time and signed book, just need to formalize it all), but the year without pay is a deal breaker for me considering I make as much as a top end teacher right now.

Plus starting I would be at the bottom of the scale and likely stay close to the bottom end because I don’t have a degree, and you need those to move up the pay scale.

My 12 years of job experience with a diploma and full apprenticeship isn’t worth anywhere near a fresh out of university teacher who just got a degree and went straight into teaching. Despite the fact I can walk out of there into a 50$+ a hour job without issue.

The difficulty in becoming a shops teacher now makes me question most that do, if you’re such a good tradesperson why take the paycut?
 
Colleges and universities interestingly enough have no formal standards for this and will ‘generally’ hire competent people from the field.

The shops teacher part irks me. I would likely switch to being a shops teacher (red seal machinist, working on getting a red seal millwright ticket too, have the time and signed book, just need to formalize it all), but the year without pay is a deal breaker for me considering I make as much as a top end teacher right now.

Plus starting I would be at the bottom of the scale and likely stay close to the bottom end because I don’t have a degree, and you need those to move up the pay scale.

My 12 years of job experience with a diploma and full apprenticeship isn’t worth anywhere near a fresh out of university teacher who just got a degree and went straight into teaching. Despite the fact I can walk out of there into a 50$+ a hour job without issue.

The difficulty in becoming a shops teacher now makes me question most that do, if you’re such a good tradesperson why take the paycut?
I don't know where he got his engine skills but the chap teaching small engines locally was a history major
 
I don't know where he got his engine skills but the chap teaching small engines locally was a history major
It would be interesting to know the 'flow' of shop teachers in today's system. Are they accredited ('regular') teachers who took a course or two for further accreditation, with or without some inherent interest and skills, or did they come from industry and jumped through the regulatory hoops. As I mentioned - somewhere - back in the day, all of my shop teachers came from industry, and my high school had every shop imaginable (wood. metal, electrical/electronics, auto, HVAC, construction, and I've probably missed a few). I'm not sure they exist to that extent now. I know my daughter's high school had wood, metal and auto but I don't remember if that carried over when they built the new school.

When I took a small engine night course at a community college it was a non-credit course so they could hire pretty much anybody they wanted and our instructor was a m/c mechanic by day.

The difficulty in becoming a shops teacher now makes me question most that do, if you’re such a good tradesperson why take the paycut?
Interesting question and it might have personal considerations, such as home life (tired of chasing work, looking for regular hours, etc.), health, etc. Back when big box reno stores first broke into the Canadian market, like Home Depot and Rona, a lot of the employees came from the trades. The ones I spoke to had simply retired but some had health issues that prevented them from some physical aspects of their trade. Of course, most of that is gone now since they mostly hire part-timers who have little clue.
 
It would be interesting to know the 'flow' of shop teachers in today's system. Are they accredited ('regular') teachers who took a course or two for further accreditation, with or without some inherent interest and skills, or did they come from industry and jumped through the regulatory hoops. As I mentioned - somewhere - back in the day, all of my shop teachers came from industry, and my high school had every shop imaginable (wood. metal, electrical/electronics, auto, HVAC, construction, and I've probably missed a few). I'm not sure they exist to that extent now. I know my daughter's high school had wood, metal and auto but I don't remember if that carried over when they built the new school.

When I took a small engine night course at a community college it was a non-credit course so they could hire pretty much anybody they wanted and our instructor was a m/c mechanic by day.


Interesting question and it might have personal considerations, such as home life (tired of chasing work, looking for regular hours, etc.), health, etc. Back when big box reno stores first broke into the Canadian market, like Home Depot and Rona, a lot of the employees came from the trades. The ones I spoke to had simply retired but some had health issues that prevented them from some physical aspects of their trade. Of course, most of that is gone now since they mostly hire part-timers who have little clue.
for at least the course offerings it seems to depend heavily upon the school board's focus on education. I don't believe that there is a standard, at least for Ontario. My school offered pretty much the same as yours but it no longer exists.
 
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