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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

I hope everyone understands that this is a self created tribunal not arising from any international agreement nor under the aegis of nay internationally recognized organization (UN, ICC, or any international treaty binding on the international community,etc. etc.) that has no power to issue any enforceable verdict, but merely provides the views and opinion of its own self selected board of alleged "experts".


Maybe they could ask to fall under the wing of the Board of Peace, if they can afford the $1b US.

a.k.a. outrage farmers ;)
 
I hope everyone understands that this is a self created tribunal not arising from any international agreement nor under the aegis of nay internationally recognized organization (UN, ICC, or any international treaty binding on the international community,etc. etc.) that has no power to issue any enforceable verdict, but merely provides the views and opinion of its own self selected board of alleged "experts".


Maybe they could ask to fall under the wing of the Board of Peace, if they can afford the $1b US.
You beat me to it. They’re activists LARPing as an international court.

Nothing but our dignity would stop the gaggle of us from doing that same thing if we wanted… And that’s not exactly a terribly high bar.
 
Quite the editorial from the bought-and-paid-for Globe & Mail (original link - archived link - shared for research, private study and education purposes under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42))

"There is no reconciliation without truth

The Editorial Board
30 May 2026

Two things can be true, at the same time. Five years after the startling announcement that there were hundreds of possible unmarked graves near a residential school in Kamloops, B.C., there has been no public confirmation of the discovery of any human remains. That is reality, one reality.

Another is this: 3,200 Indigenous children, at least, died at residential schools, according to the 2015 report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Residential school students died at a rate far higher than children in the rest of Canada – a negligence so deep-rooted that it came “within unpleasant nearness” of manslaughter, according to a government official in the early 1900s.

Many students were physically abused or sexually abused. And all were the target of a systemic effort by the Canadian government, over decades, to snatch them from their homes and families, and to eradicate their culture and heritage. That, too, is reality, a damning reality.

But those two realities cannot be used to negate the other.

That there have been no human remains found at Kamloops does not mean children did not die there. It does not mean that crimes were not committed against children, crimes that were inexcusable. A contention otherwise is denialism, and it is morally repugnant.

But the converse is also true. The fact of the crimes committed against Indigenous children at residential schools over many decades does not automatically validate claims that hundreds of students were dumped into unmarked graves in Kamloops and other residential schools. That is an extraordinary assertion, one that requires proof.

That should have been the starting point for the media in May, 2021, when the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation first issued a press release announcing the “confirmation of the remains of 215 children of the Kamloops Indian Residential School” through the use of ground-penetrating radar that identified subterranean anomalies.

The media, including The Globe and Mail, did not initially scrutinize, much less challenge, that assertion. The initial headlines and stories in the media simply stated as fact that the remains of 215 children had been found. Many of those early stories, including in this newspaper, made reference to “mass graves” (a historically fraught phrase that does not appear in the Tk’emlúps 2021 press release).

Perhaps it will be proven, some day, that there are hundreds of unmarked graves at Kamloops. But it was not proven to be true in May, 2021. It is not proven to be true today.

The media changed the description of what had been discovered at Kamloops through the summer of 2021 to possible or probable graves, particularly after an expert working on the Kamloops site made clear the limitations of ground-penetrating radar. Indeed, by February, 2026, the band itself issued a press release referring only to “potential burials.”

That evolution in language does not erase the initial failure of journalism. The lesson of 2021 should be: assertions about residential schools should be listened to carefully, and then, just as carefully, held up to scrutiny.

Politicians also helped to fuel public perceptions that the bodies of hundreds of children had been found. John Horgan, then B.C. premier, called Kamloops “a tragedy of unimaginable proportions” in the wake of the initial announcement. Mr. Horgan had no way of knowing whether that was true.

Former prime minister Justin Trudeau made much more dramatic pronouncements that were also not founded in fact. Three days after the Tk’emlúps announcement, Mr. Trudeau ordered that the Canadian flag be flown at half-mast at all federal buildings “to honour the 215 children whose lives were taken at the former Kamloops residential school.”

Like Mr. Horgan, the former prime minister had no factual basis for that and other similar statements. Unlike Mr. Horgan, who died in 2024, Mr. Trudeau still has the opportunity to set the record straight. He has not; neither has the current Liberal government. Nor has Ottawa provided clarity on how the hundreds of millions of dollars sent to First Nations to establish whether the soil anomalies are human remains have been spent. Canadians are owed an explanation.

First Nations are owed a greater debt. Lasting reconciliation between Indigenous communities and the rest of Canada has barely begun. But that reconciliation must be founded on the truth, wherever it leads."
 
So my experience with high profile events, there is an initial push by groups with interest to get the story out in whatever form, there is then a linking of politicians who are expected to comment- as saying something about waiting for more info will be seen as being out of the camp- and their political rivals will immediately use that moment.

So they can’t not make a comment- especially given that on a longer time line- no one cares what happens 6 months after the initial story. This particular event is egregious as it started attempting to make policy and law as it moved along. It is also very hard to get truth on still.

Canadians have created a system where the truth can’t prevail and approaching a story conservatively will collapse someone’s career. It is an effect of the polarization of our politics and the rush to be seen as on “the right side” rather than accurate.

I don’t have experience with the system outside of Canada so I don’t know if it’s just how things are.

The companies that used this as a way to make money by tapping into community pain are predatory and disgusting.

I have a fair amount of experience with ground penetrating radar and its results. When I first saw the story I thought “the technology must have really come a long way”…. It hadnt,

Whether accurate or not as a story, GPR cannot be interpreted and used the way it has been here. It is a pointer to spots of interest and that’s the end of its usefulness.
 
There is no reconciliation without truth

More like
Truth is the first casualty of war reconciliation.

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

― George Orwell, 1984
 
So my experience with high profile events, there is an initial push by groups with interest to get the story out in whatever form, there is then a linking of politicians who are expected to comment- as saying something about waiting for more info will be seen as being out of the camp- and their political rivals will immediately use that moment.

So they can’t not make a comment- especially given that on a longer time line- no one cares what happens 6 months after the initial story. This particular event is egregious as it started attempting to make policy and law as it moved along. It is also very hard to get truth on still.

Canadians have created a system where the truth can’t prevail and approaching a story conservatively will collapse someone’s career. It is an effect of the polarization of our politics and the rush to be seen as on “the right side” rather than accurate.

I don’t have experience with the system outside of Canada so I don’t know if it’s just how things are.
Bang on re: the media dynamic - and with social media and the 24-hour “goat must be fed” news cycle, it works this way everywhere.
The companies that used this as a way to make money by tapping into community pain are predatory and disgusting.

I have a fair amount of experience with ground penetrating radar and its results. When I first saw the story I thought “the technology must have really come a long way”…. It hadnt,

Whether accurate or not as a story, GPR cannot be interpreted and used the way it has been here. It is a pointer to spots of interest and that’s the end of its usefulness.
Thanks for more of the technical bits of the rest of the story.
 
Truth and reconciliation should also include the taking of slaves, including children by force, by other First Nations

AI written:
The most famous and documented slave raid near Fort Langley, BC, took place in 1829, just two years after the ⁠Hudson's Bay Company established the fur trading post. [1, 2]
During the early 19th century, the Stó:lō and Kwantlen peoples living along the Fraser River were frequently targeted by terrifying long-distance slave raids launched by northern maritime tribes. The most persistent threat came from the Euclataws (Yucultas / Lekwiltok), a fierce southern branch of the Kwakwaka'wakw nation based around northern Vancouver Island and the Johnstone Strait. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The 1829 Raid and its Aftermath
  • The Attack: In 1829, Euclataw warriors paddled their massive war canoes down the coast and up the Fraser River, launching a massive raid to capture slaves and plunder the local Stó:lō communities. [1]
  • Fort Intervention: Employees at Fort Langley stepped in to assist the Stó:lō. Using the fort's superior firepower—including early firearms and defenses—the fur traders helped the Stó:lō successfully repel the Euclataw invaders. [1, 2, 3]
  • The Kwantlen Migration: This specific battle fundamentally shifted local geography. Recognizing the protection the fort could provide against future northern raiders, Kwantlen Chief Whattlekainum led his entire people to relocate their primary village right next to Fort Langley, establishing a community known as Chuchul (located on what is now McMillan Island)
The End of the Fraser River Raids
While smaller skirmishes and captures continued in the region through the 1830s, the threat of these raids effectively collapsed in 1840. An unprecedented, massive alliance of southern Coast Salish nations—including the Cowichan, Musqueam, and Squamish—united to decisively defeat the Euclataw and Kwakwaka'wakw forces at the famous Battle of Maple Bay on Vancouver Island, effectively ending their ability to launch large-scale slave raids into the Fraser River delta

Freedom Village, known as Chi'ckem in the Halkomelem language, was a unique historic community founded in the Fraser Valley by formerly enslaved First Nations people. [1, 2]
Located further up the Fraser River near present-day Agassiz, British Columbia, its creation represents a powerful story of self-determination during a period when colonial enforcement and local demographics were shifting rapidly. [1, 2]

The Origins on Greenwood Island
Before the village was established, the founders lived in captivity on Greenwood Island (called Welqdmex), located across the river from the town of Hope, BC. [1]
  • The Captives: The ⁠Chawathil First Nation (a branch of the Stó:lō) held a population of enslaved people (skw'iyeth) who had been captured from various other First Nations communities over generations. [1, 2]
  • A Growing Population: Over the years, the enslaved population on Greenwood Island grew significantly as captives had children. [, 2]
  • Rising Tensions: The high number of hereditary slaves began to worry the Chawathil slaveholders, who feared a potential revolt or collective push for freedom. []
The Journey to Freedom
The opportunity for escape arrived in the mid-19th century as the Fraser Valley underwent massive changes. The establishment of British colonial outposts like Fort Langley (1827) and Fort Yale (1848), combined with the devastation of smallpox epidemics among local tribes, disrupted traditional power balances and loosened the control of slaveholders. [1, 2]
Taking advantage of these shifting dynamics, the enslaved people of Greenwood Island staged a collective departure to permanently escape their bondage. [1]
Founding Chi'ckem
Instead of returning to their ancestral homelands—from which they had been separated for generations—the freed individuals moved downriver together to establish their own autonomous community. [1]
  • The Settlement: They cleared land near Agassiz and founded Chi'ckem (Freedom Village). [1, 2]
  • An Independent Life: In this new village, the residents built their own homes, grew crops, fished, and raised families entirely free from the jurisdiction of their former masters. [1, 2]
  • Historical Significance: Chi'ckem stands as a rare, documented example of an independent settlement entirely founded and governed by formerly enslaved Indigenous people on the Pacific Coast.
 
So my experience with high profile events, there is an initial push by groups with interest to get the story out in whatever form, there is then a linking of politicians who are expected to comment- as saying something about waiting for more info will be seen as being out of the camp- and their political rivals will immediately use that moment.

So they can’t not make a comment- especially given that on a longer time line- no one cares what happens 6 months after the initial story. This particular event is egregious as it started attempting to make policy and law as it moved along. It is also very hard to get truth on still.

Canadians have created a system where the truth can’t prevail and approaching a story conservatively will collapse someone’s career. It is an effect of the polarization of our politics and the rush to be seen as on “the right side” rather than accurate.

I don’t have experience with the system outside of Canada so I don’t know if it’s just how things are.

The companies that used this as a way to make money by tapping into community pain are predatory and disgusting.

I have a fair amount of experience with ground penetrating radar and its results. When I first saw the story I thought “the technology must have really come a long way”…. It hadnt,

Whether accurate or not as a story, GPR cannot be interpreted and used the way it has been here. It is a pointer to spots of interest and that’s the end of its usefulness.
If geologist, prospectors and exploration companies made similar assumptions from aeromagnetic surveys, seismic readings and other exploratory technologies, they would probably end up charged with fraud.

How anyone could honestly and in good faith make the conclusions or assumptions they did from the cryptic, at best, images of GPR that I have seen is beyond me.

Few make the claim that the residential school system was benevolently conceived and operated, but the reality that children died over the system's 150 year history should surprise few. Child mortality was high in all societies for much of that period, and likely higher in FNs. No doubt, they should have been returned home, but here we are. Even today, TB is still about 3x higher on FNTs than the rest of society. Way back when, I worked exclusively on FNT for 2 1/2 years and was tested annually.
 
The band is now stuck in a difficult position as a consequence of failure to push back enough against the early second- and third-hand assessments/misrepresentations as the information got passed along. (They did push back, a little, early on, against some of the characterizations.) Still now, as then, there's suspicion that some of the images are something along the lines of old irrigation, water, or waste lines. A dig that proves out "old infrastructure" is going to be very unwelcome in some quarters. Then there'll be the "where do we go for our apology" rhetoric from critics who were dog-piled, followed closely by the "fake-but-accurate" spinners.
 
If geologist, prospectors and exploration companies made similar assumptions from aeromagnetic surveys, seismic readings and other exploratory technologies, they would probably end up charged with fraud.

How anyone could honestly and in good faith make the conclusions or assumptions they did from the cryptic, at best, images of GPR that I have seen is beyond me.

Few make the claim that the residential school system was benevolently conceived and operated, but the reality that children died over the system's 150 year history should surprise few. Child mortality was high in all societies for much of that period, and likely higher in FNs. No doubt, they should have been returned home, but here we are. Even today, TB is still about 3x higher on FNTs than the rest of society. Way back when, I worked exclusively on FNT for 2 1/2 years and was tested annually.
Very recently I heard a commentary on the radio regarding the GPR employed. According to the guest commentator the system is one that is optimized to enable the location of buried piping and maps indicate that a septic system was located in the vicinity of the field. Suppose, just suppose that someone uncovered those maps after the initial news flash and realised that it wasn't a cemetery at all. Could that be why they haven't been in any hurry to do an exploratory dig?
 
Very recently I heard a commentary on the radio regarding the GPR employed. According to the guest commentator the system is one that is optimized to enable the location of buried piping and maps indicate that a septic system was located in the vicinity of the field. Suppose, just suppose that someone uncovered those maps after the initial news flash and realised that it wasn't a cemetery at all. Could that be why they haven't been in any hurry to do an exploratory dig?
There’s a cultural component to why they won’t disturb the ground. Which is a problem- because we need a process to understand since it’s being used to shape reality. I believe those discussions are ongoing- but I’m two years out of the loop, it doesn’t appear to be moving.

But that’s about right. The GPR return kindve gives you an idea of composition and some indication of relative size- the areas of note are where you wind up with composition that doesn’t match its surroundings. You then mark it and have to dig to explore.

I had run a file for GPR with some missing people of a high risk lifestyle. The GPR returns gave us all types of things that were sometime in the realm of the right size and composition and then other items were wildly not correct but the system marked them as a notable return.

The GPR was being operated by the engineers that had made the system. They were excellent and always cautioned how we interpret the results- it was super useful, BUT they were correct about how you follow up
 
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