The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[ArmyRick]

Or you have to blow your driveway multiple times in one day. My brother is closer to Meaford and they were snowed-in for three days this past winter; the township just gave up trying.

I drive through Meaford 4-6 days a week. I have seen 26 between thornbury and meaford get snowdrifts that are 3-6 feet high. Doesn't matter how often you plough if the wind blows like an a-hole, it buries the road again in under an hour

 

[GR66]

Well, you can strike FCAS off the list of potential F-35 replacements in our next, next future fighter buy...

Europe’s $110 billion fighter jet project is officially dead

Germany and France have jointly decided to abandon the fighter jet component of the Future Combat Air System, known as FCAS, after years of industrial disputes between Airbus and Dassault Aviation proved impossible to resolve, according to Der Tagesspiegel. German

defence-blog.com

Germany and France have jointly decided to abandon the fighter jet component of the Future Combat Air System, known as FCAS, after years of industrial disputes between Airbus and Dassault Aviation proved impossible to resolve, according to Der Tagesspiegel.

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz and French President Emmanuel Macron reached a shared conclusion that Airbus and Dassault could not find common ground on building a joint next-generation combat aircraft. Merz recommended to Macron that the two countries stop pursuing a shared fighter jet, and Macron agreed.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well, you can strike FCAS off the list of potential F-35 replacements in our next, next future fighter buy...

Europe’s $110 billion fighter jet project is officially dead

Germany and France have jointly decided to abandon the fighter jet component of the Future Combat Air System, known as FCAS, after years of industrial disputes between Airbus and Dassault Aviation proved impossible to resolve, according to Der Tagesspiegel. German

defence-blog.com

So, does one of them pivot towards us, the Swedes and ?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Don Newman penning a piece on a mixed fleet.

Why not Both? A Possible Way Out of Canada’s Procurement Dilemmas​

Why not Both? A Possible Way Out of Canada's Procurement Dilemmas - Policy Magazine

As Canada seeks to rearm and move to a modern, effective military capable of defending this country and meeting its treaty obligations to allies, the

www.policymagazine.ca

 

[QV]

Well, you can strike FCAS off the list of potential F-35 replacements in our next, next future fighter buy...

Europe’s $110 billion fighter jet project is officially dead

Germany and France have jointly decided to abandon the fighter jet component of the Future Combat Air System, known as FCAS, after years of industrial disputes between Airbus and Dassault Aviation proved impossible to resolve, according to Der Tagesspiegel. German

defence-blog.com

Foreshadowing what more closely aligning with the EU instead of the US would look like.

 

[Rainbow1910]

So, does one of them pivot towards us, the Swedes and ?

A non-existent program from a nation who didn’t even build a 5th generation fighter and can’t seem to build their upgraded 4th gen fighter on a reasonable scale? Perfect option for Canada lol.

 

[YZT580]

Don Newman penning a piece on a mixed fleet.

Why not Both? A Possible Way Out of Canada’s Procurement Dilemmas​

Why not Both? A Possible Way Out of Canada's Procurement Dilemmas - Policy Magazine

As Canada seeks to rearm and move to a modern, effective military capable of defending this country and meeting its treaty obligations to allies, the

www.policymagazine.ca

And you were screaming about 2 types of a/c. wow. 2 training centres, 2 sets of parts, fleet more or less limited to one ocean, and forget about a lot of those fringe benefits including potentially the timing of the deliveries. Is REALLY DUMB a strong enough adjective

 

[Czech_pivo]

A non-existent program from a nation who didn’t even build a 5th generation fighter and can’t seem to build their upgraded 4th gen fighter on a reasonable scale? Perfect option for Canada lol.

Dare to dream.

Is that the approach that we want our Politicians, Business leaders, Entrepreneurs (the one's that haven't left for the US), Youth to have? Best way to destroy a young person's character and self worth is to constantly tell them 'No'.

The easiest approach is to sit back and constantly throw rocks at the glass houses across the street.

Might as well just throw in the towel now and give up on this and everything else. Here's your 4th place medal, thanks for coming out.

I get tired of listening to all the reasons why Canada can't do this or Canada can't do that or Canada can't 'insert whatever phase/word of your choice here.'

 

[Czech_pivo]

And you were screaming about 2 types of a/c. wow. 2 training centres, 2 sets of parts, fleet more or less limited to one ocean, and forget about a lot of those fringe benefits including potentially the timing of the deliveries. Is REALLY DUMB a strong enough adjective

Not sure what you're talking about......I certainly did NOT express my views on this article at all. I merely posted it here for others to read and be aware of. So, please take a breath here.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Dare to dream.

Is that the approach that we want our Politicians, Business leaders, Entrepreneurs (the one's that haven't left for the US), Youth to have? Best way to destroy a young person's character and self worth is to constantly tell them 'No'.

The easiest approach is to sit back and constantly throw rocks at the glass houses across the street.

Might as well just throw in the towel now and give up on this and everything else. Here's your 4th place medal, thanks for coming out.

I get tired of listening to all the reasons why Canada can't do this or Canada can't do that or Canada can't 'insert whatever phase/word of your choice here.'

There’s a distinct difference in “dare to dream” and “picking the worse horse to bet on”. We do not have an infinite amount of funding, effort, time and political capital to expend on military procurement. Battles need to be chosen in a smart way and we can’t let ourselves be naive. We need to be realistic and choose the best path forward for us. I personally don’t see that being a hypothetical German-Swedish-Canadian 6th generation fighter program.

I get tired of people promoting well intentioned but ultimately fanciful ideas without taking stock of the overall situation.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I get tired of people promoting well intentioned but ultimately fanciful ideas without taking stock of the overall situation.

We should buy both submarine fleets to go along with both fighter jets.

 

[HavokFour]

Well, you can strike FCAS off the list of potential F-35 replacements in our next, next future fighter buy...

Europe’s $110 billion fighter jet project is officially dead

Germany and France have jointly decided to abandon the fighter jet component of the Future Combat Air System, known as FCAS, after years of industrial disputes between Airbus and Dassault Aviation proved impossible to resolve, according to Der Tagesspiegel. German

defence-blog.com

Long live GCAP.

 

[Czech_pivo]

There’s a distinct difference in “dare to dream” and “picking the worse horse to bet on”. We do not have an infinite amount of funding, effort, time and political capital to expend on military procurement. Battles need to be chosen in a smart way and we can’t let ourselves be naive. We need to be realistic and choose the best path forward for us. I personally don’t see that being a hypothetical German-Swedish-Canadian 6th generation fighter program.

I get tired of people promoting well intentioned but ultimately fanciful ideas without taking stock of the overall situation.

Fair points.

There is always a scarcity of something - capital, resources, time, testicular fortitude, vision, chose any one or combination of them.

But if - if - the path that we are going to start walking down is one of greater self-reliance and self-awareness then these sort of 'roll the dice' moments are going to appear more frequently and with greater risks and rewards. We can choose to not walk down this path and become more formally an outright Vassal of the US and live a quite comfortable quasi-independent lifestyle. Just as long as we accept being 2nd always and are willing to clap like a trained seal when asked and to send along our youth from time to time on US decided military adventures.

I think that its very likely that none of us on here are privy to the most secret discussions and decisions that Canada is currently undertaking with it Allies, from the US to the Europeans to the Japanese, Australians, South Koreans. We have no real idea as to what is being pitched to our Government and the top layer of the CAF, to what is being explored as probable, possible and what's a Black Swan event.

I for one admit that I haven't got a clue at all. I'm playing the game of 'peel back the onion' and what is possibly revealed in the next layer. I also for certain know that there are most likely some pretty senior people in the CAF (or former CAF), on here who reveal, purposely or by mistake, kernels of wisdom and nuggets of gold from time to time.

So, with that being said, I do believe that Canada is looking, actively, and listening, attentively, to I'm what I'm sure are pitches from the Swedes, Japanese, Brits, possibly the South Koreans and now Germans, and potentially by the French and Italians, and of course the US, are joining an existing 6th Gen fighter programme or a potential yet to be formally announced, 6th Gen fighter programme.

 

[Altair]

So, does one of them pivot towards us, the Swedes and ?

Airbus and Saab Might Be Ready to Make a Sixth-Gen Fighter Deal

Airbus CEO Michael Schoellhorn openly speculated that the company could work with Saab on a German-Swedish sixth-generation aircraft if the FCAS program fell apart.

nationalinterest.org

https://migflug.com/jetflights/airbus-saab-fcas-european-sixth-gen-fighter-may-2026/

Airbus Looks To Sweden’s Saab As Europe’s Sixth-Gen Fighter Plans Unravel

As FCAS tensions deepen, Airbus is exploring alternatives with Saab, raising the prospect of a shakeup in Europe’s future air combat plans. As FCAS tensions deepen, Airbus is exploring alternatives with Saab, raising the prospect of a shakeup in Europe’s future air combat plans.

www.twz.com

Speaking on the sidelines of the Airbus Defense Summit at Airbus Defense & Space’s Manching site near Munich last week, that company’s CEO, Michael Schoellhorn, said that he was keen to cooperate with Sweden and Saab on a new fighter.

Schoellhorn recently visited Sweden and reflected that “Sweden and Saab are candidates with extensive expertise” in the field of fighter design and production. “We have difficulties that everyone knows about. That is why it is time to actively explore other options, which is what we are now doing,” he added, in reference to the FCAS program.

Germany towards SAAB

 

[Maxman1]

Well, you can strike FCAS off the list of potential F-35 replacements in our next, next future fighter buy...

Europe’s $110 billion fighter jet project is officially dead

Germany and France have jointly decided to abandon the fighter jet component of the Future Combat Air System, known as FCAS, after years of industrial disputes between Airbus and Dassault Aviation proved impossible to resolve, according to Der Tagesspiegel. German

defence-blog.com

We weren't looking into FCAS anyway, we signed up as observers for GCAP.

 

[YZT580]

Not sure what you're talking about......I certainly did NOT express my views on this article at all. I merely posted it here for others to read and be aware of. So, please take a breath here.

Apologies. I simply picked the last entry I had received to add my comments and it was intended as being the royal "you" and not on yourself per se. There have been numerous comments regarding the complications in operating two fighter aircraft and I was simply saying that all those comments should be applied to the notion of purchasing subs from both vendors.

 

[childs56]

This is not just about buying two different jet platforms to replace a single platform.
F35 allows us to be up to date with the latest tech right now. But not be directly involved in a direct partnership with on going tech.
Gripen allows us a cheaper day to day operations aircraft that can still hold its own against the majority of our potential enemies.

• Also directly partners us with a serious contender for future UAV systems to compliment not only the F35 but possible Future UAV/UCAV etc style platforms.
• We get to kickstart our future fighter assembly/ design and R&D program with a known entity will value our contributions.

Not to mention SAAB also work with the US on many defence projects. I think with us partnering with SAAB directly opens up our entire defence industry not just the air side.
Couple that with a potential South Korean deal and I think this opens Canada up to a large potential future growth in direct Defence contracting sales.
We have a lot of the tech ability here along with manufacturing. I would like to see us expand on that with a couple partners who appreciate our contributions as partners, not just take us as servants.

 

[YZT580]

This is not just about buying two different jet platforms to replace a single platform.
F35 allows us to be up to date with the latest tech right now. But not be directly involved in a direct partnership with on going tech.
Gripen allows us a cheaper day to day operations aircraft that can still hold its own against the majority of our potential enemies.

• Also directly partners us with a serious contender for future UAV systems to compliment not only the F35 but possible Future UAV/UCAV etc style platforms.
• We get to kickstart our future fighter assembly/ design and R&D program with a known entity will value our contributions.

Not to mention SAAB also work with the US on many defence projects. I think with us partnering with SAAB directly opens up our entire defence industry not just the air side.
Couple that with a potential South Korean deal and I think this opens Canada up to a large potential future growth in direct Defence contracting sales.
We have a lot of the tech ability here along with manufacturing. I would like to see us expand on that with a couple partners who appreciate our contributions as partners, not just take us as servants.

fully agree and I always have. Its about the subs