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Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF

Just how many sexual offence investigations do the MPs get a year?
There is probably a statistically predictable value corresponding to size of the base and whether or not the PMQs are policed by the municipality or by MPs (which is not standardized across all bases), but I have no idea what that value nor reality might be.
 
They were few to my recollection, but that was before the recent sexual misconduct definitions.
There's a difference between sexual misconduct, as defined by the DAOD, and sexual assault, as defined by the Crim Code. Nobody is going to jail for an off-colour joke, even if it could cost you a promotion or your career.
 
It’s again worth noting sexual assault has an abysmal conviction rate and victims will find the off base response just as underwhelming.

40 percent of the cases go from police to crown, about 60 percent of that 40 percent go to court and then just under half result in a conviction of any sort.

So of a hundred cases- 12 will get a conviction of any sort.

At least in the new system they can’t blame the MPs but they really aren’t the issue when you look at numbers like that
 
She complains to civilian police and they decline to investigate.
Decline to investigate or not finding a prima facie criminal offence? Declining to investigate would be unusual and in most provinces the victim would have recourse to complain to a civilian oversight authority.

Typically, police would not keep a victim's or suspect's employer in the loop one way or the other, but seeing as the alleged offence took place on the employer's property, I can see the foundation for a formal agreement between the involved levels of government or agencies. In terms of sharing or turning over investigative files, turning it over to someone in the CoC might be problematic from a privacy point of view (I say this not knowing all the ins and outs of the various privacy laws). If I was an MP and wanted a civilian police file for investigative purposes, I would be inclined to cover all my bases by getting judicial authorization via a warrant/production order.
 
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There's a difference between sexual misconduct, as defined by the DAOD, and sexual assault, as defined by the Crim Code. Nobody is going to jail for an off-colour joke, even if it could cost you a promotion or your career.
No shit.
 
I believe Cold Lakes PILT saga and court decisions are available and continuing. They are the most recent and largest I am aware of. Theirs is ongoing and endorsed by the federation of municipalities. They are my closest example I have some working knowledge on.

The property valuations are argued to be too low- and the supporting arguments are the access and drain to services funded by the municipality, traditionally policing isn’t a service used by the base- it will be included once this starts. Even by a small margin- the argument will be that it is one more thing and the outdated PILT amounts are wrong- hence the disputes.
In Ontario, if it were to involve a municipal police service, it or, more accurately, its police services board, would be free to try and negotiate some sort of cost recovery mechanism with DND if they felt it was an onerous drain on its taxpayers. If it involves a municipality policed under an OPP contract, push come to shove I can see the province declaring that said costs are not part of the contract costing formula and fall under the 'provincial responsibility' component. I think it would have to be a big 'push'. The province used to cover the policing costs for provincial correctional facilities but no longer does and the town near where we used to live is rightly pissed.

The OPP has a 'Pen Squad' in Kingston for the federal institutions in the area which includes, to the best of my recollection, a member of Kingston PS and a couple of members of CSC. It used to have a couple of RCMP members but as far as I know no longer does. It's been a long time since I had anything to do with them but have no recollection that the province received any federal funding other than the cost of the federal employees involved.

Other than - maybe - a bit of rush of historic cases during transition, I honestly don't see a huge impact on any one police service/detachment. In Ontario, there are specific training requirements under the Act for any members conducting a SA investigation (and others).
 
Decline to investigate or not finding a prima facie criminal offence? Declining to investigate would be unusual and in most provinces the victim would have recourse to complain to a civilian oversight authority.

Typically, police would not keep a victim's or suspect's employer in the loop one way or the other, but seeing as the alleged offence took place on the employer's property, I can see the foundation for a formal agreement between the involved levels of government or agencies. In terms of sharing or turning over investigative files, turning it over to someone in the CoC might be problematic from a privacy point of view (I say this not knowing all the ins and outs of the various privacy laws). If I was an MP and wanted a civilian police file for investigative purposes, I would be inclined to cover all my bases by getting judicial authorization via a warrant/production order.


We can make a new ministry and expand it to all government work places. The Ministry of Allegations. Every police file gets copied to your employer whether a crime occurred or not. I dig it :)

Short of that we could always bring in a union for CAF members. It doesn't sound like it caused any issues with the RCMP that I've heard of. Would be a good way to report bad behavior and have it looked into from a professional standards approach.


SNCO taking a students cell number off their course file and texting them on the weekend to see how the homework is going? Report it to the union instead of his buddy the course WO.
 
It’s again worth noting sexual assault has an abysmal conviction rate and victims will find the off base response just as underwhelming.

40 percent of the cases go from police to crown, about 60 percent of that 40 percent go to court and then just under half result in a conviction of any sort.

So of a hundred cases- 12 will get a conviction of any sort.

At least in the new system they can’t blame the MPs but they really aren’t the issue when you look at numbers like that
Allegations of sexual assault have an abysmal conviction rate...

Unless we are dropping that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing we've been messing around with for the last couple of centuries.
 
Short of that we could always bring in a union for CAF members. It doesn't sound like it caused any issues with the RCMP that I've heard of. Would be a good way to report bad behavior and have it looked into from a professional standards approach.


SNCO taking a students cell number off their course file and texting them on the weekend to see how the homework is going? Report it to the union instead of his buddy the course WO.
Except you could end up calling someone who took the union position just to get the same phone numbers and is also friends with the SNCO........would not be the first time someone said "Let's go have a drink and talk about your situation". Anything you draw up that has humans involved will be wrought with human weakness's.
 
Short of that we could always bring in a union for CAF members. It doesn't sound like it caused any issues with the RCMP that I've heard of.

Not to agree / disagree, as I am not an expert.

I think most police in Canada are unionized. Police , like any other emploees , can't be drafted , and can quit anytime.

But , wouldn't it be different for the CAF in that , although it hasn't happened since 1945, there may come a time "during hostilities or during a time of war as declared by the Government of Canada" when civilians are drafted into the CAF.

When, like it or not, Reservists are involuntarily activated to full-time and, like it or not, may be sent out of Canada.

VR's will / may be put on hold until "cessation of hostilities".

If that is how it would work?

What good will a union do then?
 
SNCO taking a students cell number off their course file and texting them on the weekend to see how the homework is going? Report it to the union instead of his buddy the course WO.

I might be getting too old, but would the OC care about this and/or do anything about it?

If that actually happened I'm guessing that SNCO should be in a world of hurt IMHO...
 
SNCO taking a students cell number off their course file and texting them on the weekend to see how the homework is going?

You're saying this because it happened, aren't you ?

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Not to agree / disagree, as I am not an expert.

I think most police in Canada are unionized. Police , like any other emploees , can't be drafted , and can quit anytime.

But , wouldn't it be different for the CAF in that , although it hasn't happened since 1945, there may come a time "during hostilities or during a time of war as declared by the Government of Canada" when civilians are drafted into the CAF.

When, like it or not, Reservists are involuntarily activated to full-time and, like it or not, may be sent out of Canada.

VR's will / may be put on hold until "cessation of hostilities".

If that is how it would work?

What good will a union do then?
The term "union" is being used very broadly. Employee representation can be as wide and deep as the legislation that enables it allows. While the term has come into popular use, police members in Ontario are represented by 'associations' (although at times some like push the boundaries). They cannot do a lot of things a typical union can; such as withhold services (strike) or refuse a duty because it is potentially unsafe.

I know nothing about their application and scope but apparently the militaries of Germany and the Scandinavian countries have some kind of 'union'.
 
The term "union" is being used very broadly. Employee representation can be as wide and deep as the legislation that enables it allows. While the term has come into popular use, police members in Ontario are represented by 'associations' (although at times some like push the boundaries). They cannot do a lot of things a typical union can; such as withhold services (strike) or refuse a duty because it is potentially unsafe.

I know nothing about their application and scope but apparently the militaries of Germany and the Scandinavian countries have some kind of 'union'.

The RCN and the Unions get along so well at CFB Esquimalt that they have a dispute resolution centre staffed by lawyers and professional mediators.

The job growth for consultants would be exponential.

I approve ;)


New centre designed to handle conflicts, complaints opens​


Until recently, formal complaints at CFB Esquimalt were handled through the chain of command, says Alison Arnesen, CCMS Regional Manager West North Region.

However, with the new office comes a change in policy.

The goal now, says Arnesen, is to have complaints taken care of early, locally, and informally by a CCMS agent working with the chain of command.

 
If I was an MP and wanted a civilian police file for investigative purposes, I would be inclined to cover all my bases by getting judicial authorization via a warrant/production order.

That would almost certainly not be necessary. A PO to a police service for an existing police file will only furnish documents or data… that are already in the hands of a police service. Any intrusion on the reasonable expectation of privacy by the state has already happened. There’s no articulable reasonable expectation of privacy that precludes one police service sharing the fruits of its investigation with another for valid law enforcement purposes. Applicable provincial and federal privacy legislation already allow that sharing; federally, for instance. It’s 8(2)(e) of the Privacy Act.

I’ve seen judicial authorizations against police services in, broadly three occasions:

1) Seeking police records that are not fruits of an investigation and were collected for some less intrusive purpose, such as a production order for a police employee’s security clearance package when they’re being investigated for corruption

2) Seeking a Search Warrant to expand the scope of data that can be reviewed on an electronic device. For example, a police service seizes a device and examines its contents for evidence of organized retail theft, and unexpectedly finds data showing evidence of murder in another jurisdiction. That other jurisdiction would get a copy of the data but not look at it til they get a new warrant with expanded scope.

3) The niche case that fills me with rage, police receiving proactive and voluntary child porn disclosures from groups like NCMEC, which contain IP addresses. Police will lock it away and obtain a production order to serve on themselves to bring that voluntary disclosure through judicial review due to the presence of IP addresses, which in Bykovets the SCC found to attract a reasonable expectation of privacy.

And, once, a bank overdelivered in response to my production order and sent me copies of bank drafts I had not yet asked for and didnmt yet have grounds to. When I saw them I realized immediately they were good evidence, so I locked them in my cabinet, and a few days later triumphantly served my Staff Sergeant with a copy of the search warrant I had obtained for my own filing cabinet. That was funny and dumb.

But anyway, I’ve both shared and received investigation information with various other police services, municipal, provincial and federal. It’s generally no issue, just know the section of applicable law permitting the sharing.
 
sure you can share the investigation- and maybe you covered it, but sharing it for the purposes of discipline and using the documentation? How does that fit in? That’s where I would be a little lost

maybe it’s nothing
 
I was served several productions orders when I worked the phones. One of the subjects was convicted of second degree murder. I testified over two days about the system
 
The term "union" is being used very broadly. Employee representation can be as wide and deep as the legislation that enables it allows. While the term has come into popular use, police members in Ontario are represented by 'associations' (although at times some like push the boundaries). They cannot do a lot of things a typical union can; such as withhold services (strike) or refuse a duty because it is potentially unsafe.

I know nothing about their application and scope but apparently the militaries of Germany and the Scandinavian countries have some kind of 'union'.

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