Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[GK .Dundas]

I've always enjoyed Sarnia.

One hometown resident had this to say ( not about their police, but the environment they would work in. )

Pp

In Quebec the Charter is often a guideline.

More like a list of suggestions.

 

[Booter]

I can do nothing but shake my head at the plethora of small town posing police services all over the U.S…. It’s like every town of 800 or 1000 feels like it needs its own poorly paid, poorly funded, poorly equipped standalone service. As a result they end up with a lowest tier of police with officers perpetually either failing down into them or scrabbling to move up and out. What a mess.

We have more than a few three to five person police departments in Canada- the difference is the training is generally consistent across the board. I’m always shocked in the states at the amount of cops that are part time cops at three places to make full time money

 

[brihard]

We have more than a few three to five person police departments in Canada- the difference is the training is generally consistent across the board. I’m always shocked in the states at the amount of cops that are part time cops at three places to make full time money

Standalone municipal service that size? Where? Small detachments of a larger police service aren’t what I’m talking about.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Standalone municipal service that size? Where? Small detachments of a larger police service aren’t what I’m talking about.

Would have thought that the Dog River Police Service with Davis and Karen might have been the smallest (even if fictional), but another Sask location has them beat.

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The Luseland Police Service currently has exactly one officer, who serves as the community's Police Chief. [1]
Current Operations
Active Personnel: Chief Ty Kohlman runs the department as a single-member force. [1, 2]

Investing in Saskatchewan Small Town and Rural Police Services | News and Media | Government of Saskatchewan

The small town and rural police services receiving STAR Grant Program funding this year are:

• Corman Park Police Service - $110,000 to support 11 officers;
• Dalmeny Police Service - $20,000 for two officers;
• Luseland Police Service - $10,000 to support one officer;
• Vanscoy Police Service - $30,000 to support three officers; and
• Wilton Police Service - $20,000 for two officers.

 

[Booter]

Rivers Police Service
corman park police service
Vanscoy police
Sainte Anne Police service

There’s at least a dozen in the prairies alone if you include under 15 all staff included the number doubles.

Wilton Police is two plus a chief. There are lots of them. I’ve built and delivered training for various small services. It was my bag for a bit.

In summer a lot of them will hire part time police to deal with an increase in population and the “chief” does admin in January when no one is there.

Some Municipalities have found that it cheaper to contract the provincial police for larger investigations and tactical response with three officers than to have their own part of a larger force.

Others did it as a response to not liking the provincial police (Estevan started because they hated the Mounties after several people were killed during a strike)

Others- like Wilton are part of a larger area force- they work with a detachment that covers the area but they only do Wilton proper as a way to boost member numbers locally.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I’ve built and delivered training for various small services. It was my bag for a bit.

Do you mind if I ask what the training was?

 

[brihard]

Rivers Police Service
corman park police service
Vanscoy police
Sainte Anne Police service

There’s at least a dozen in the prairies alone if you include under 15 all staff included the number doubles.

Wilton Police is two plus a chief. There are lots of them. I’ve built and delivered training for various small services. It was my bag for a bit.

In summer a lot of them will hire part time police to deal with an increase in population and the “chief” does admin in January when no one is there.

Some Municipalities have found that it cheaper to contract the provincial police for larger investigations and tactical response with three officers than to have their own part of a larger force.

Others did it as a response to not liking the provincial police (Estevan started because they hated the Mounties after several people were killed during a strike)

Others- like Wilton are part of a larger area force- they work with a detachment that covers the area but they only do Wilton proper as a way to boost member numbers locally.

Ok. What was your assessment of the quality of policing services they were capable of providing?

 

[Booter]

They have a system that works for the money they are willing to spend. Their basic police training is the same and linked to some larger agencies so the baseline is the same.

Generally their force will be people they keep for a couple years while they sort out their applications to larger forces who will take them as an experienced officer…which is revealing when they do the experienced officer courses.

Forces like Sainte Anne etc have interesting relationships with larger forces- like the Manitoba ERT team had a Sainte Anne municipal force officer in it. Eventually they lateraled over to the Mounties.

My observation is that they don’t have the same disparity here as they do in the states- who I also worked with and around in a northern state for some courses so I saw up close.

They have robust MOUs with a big brother outfit in Canada that parachutes in for files that exceed local capability.

Now that policing is the largest line item for lots of places I think we ll see more of it. Where they don’t think they need the A Team with carbines and ballistic shields and drones and they will have a couple fellas and contract out the risk.

I suspect this is what the Sheriffs and the Marshalls will wind up providing. A cheaper B team option.

 

[OldSolduer]

Others did it as a response to not liking the provincial police (Estevan started because they hated the Mounties after several people were killed during a strike)

Was it an incident(S) about the mines during the Great Depression that caused that?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Was it an incident(S) about the mines during the Great Depression that caused that?

A coal miner union march in 1931 (black tuesday) turned violent and the RCMP fired into the crowd killing three and wounding many others.

 

[OldSolduer]

A coal miner union march in 1931 (black tuesday) turned violent and the RCMP fired into the crowd killing three and wounding many others.

The book "The Great Depression" mentions it over a few pages.

 

[Booter]

Do you mind if I ask what the training was?

I trained some in ballistic shield and some tactics, some drones and less lethal (3 person/5 person/ and 8 person outfit), I worked with one provinces police college on a project with a small service evaluating an idea (15 coppers), carbine user (16 cops). Critical incident response (3 and 5). I co-wrote active shooter response for another (10 and 18). Small service needed their use of force continuum updated (6ish?). A bunch of things but Odds and ends. This is over a long time- I think a few of those have folded.

My outfit used to have a unit that did this stuff for police services. Now it’s a little different so most agencies go to other municipal or provincial forces if they need assistance- it’s also easier now in Canada to find companies that train people as well as companies that will certify instructors for their products- 10-12-15 years ago this was less the norm.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Standalone municipal service that size? Where? Small detachments of a larger police service aren’t what I’m talking about.

We have some small depts in NS.

Annapolis Royal is 2 LEOs.

 

[Booter]

Learn something new everyday- super interesting. Thanks man.

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Police commission- 5 members.

Police force? 1 chief, 2 cops, 1 part timer lol

 

[RangerRay]

Coming from BC and moving to the Prairies, I was surprised at how many small and medium towns and villages has their own tiny PDs. In BC, municipal forces only exist in heavily populated areas like Metro Vancouver or the Capital Region, with the exception of Nelson and some First Nations police. Even then, there are big cities in those populated areas that don’t have their own municipal forces, which I did not realize was outside the national norm.

 

[Haggis]

- it’s also easier now in Canada to find companies that train people as well as companies that will certify instructors for their products- 10-12-15 years ago this was less the norm.

A friend of mine runs one such company and they are quite busy.