Muslim Call to Prayer in Regina (split from Liberal Gov't 2025 - ???)

[Altair]

interesting and sad. Church bells have been silenced throughout many areas as a result of people protesting being forced to listen to churchy stuff, you know freedom from religion etc. Now we have the sound of prayer call echoing through the streets what, 5 times a day? At least the church bells would give you the correct time. Wait until Ramadan when they start reading the Koran all night long. I loved the bells by the way but if doing without the bells is the only way to eliminate prayer call I am all for it.

Mosque officials said the outdoor call will last approximately two to three minutes, just on Fridays before Jumu’ah services.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Which, like political statements, are in the eye of the beholder.

One person's church bells (which are and have been used as calls to a different kind of prayer) is another's call to prayer, with all the attendant narrative baggage one chooses to attach to either.

Sure, but irrelevant.

The preservation of liberal principles occasionally requires violating them, which is not abandonment if we return to them. (Abandonment would be violating and not returning). I am confident the people pushing overt displays of Islam are mostly those pursuing long-term agendas to bigfoot everyone else, not those merely trying to engage in a free exercise of religion. I accept the risk that some of the latter may be caught up by measures to shut down the former. Christianity has reformed its doctrines and actions immensely in the heart of Christianity (Europe, whether talking about Catholicism or one of the flavours of Protestanism), and arguably so has Judaism (in Israel). Saudia Arabia is the heart of Islam, and it is undeniably illiberal, as are many highly Islamic countries.

If we want Canada to be a liberal country, we have to recognize obvious risks and draw bright lines discouraging the development and exercise of illiberal belief systems, particularly those with an obvious political/governance nexus. I don't care whether it's Marxism, Russian or Chinese style communism, traditional Italian fascism, or Islam.

 

[mariomike]

Mosque officials said the outdoor call will last approximately two to three minutes, just on Fridays before Jumu’ah services.

Just in case the outdoor call is missed, for back-up , an Athan app can be added to phones.

It uses a specialized tool that uses the device's GPS to calculate and provide accurate localized prayer times ( Salah ) and Azan alarms for the specific location.

The Salah Pro app seems popular.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Bells every hour and 3 minute chants are just noise pollution at this point. Everyone has a cell phone or watch, they can figure out what time it is on their own.

 

[dapaterson]

Bells every hour and 3 minute chants are just noise pollution at this point. Everyone had a cell phone or watch, they can figure out what time it is on their own.

Canada is an odd collection of religious legislation that's internally contradictory. We fund separate schools for a religious group we then by law exclude from the monarchy. One province prohibits public displays of religion while spending millions to maintain old religious buildings.

 

[Altair]

Bells every hour and 3 minute chants are just noise pollution at this point. Everyone had a cell phone or watch, they can figure out what time it is on their own.

Mosque officials said the outdoor call will last approximately two to three minutes, just on Fridays before Jumu’ah services.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Mosque officials said the outdoor call will last approximately two to three minutes, just on Fridays before Jumu’ah services.

Camel's nose. Draw a bright line.

 

[Altair]

Camel's nose. Draw a bright line.

Everyone is saying multiple calls to prayer a day.

Its one call, 3 minutes long on a friday.

I get not supporting this, but why lie about it?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

If they allow Church bells from 8am to 10pm - that’s 15times, ranging from a single ‘toll’ at 1pm to 12 rings for noon, mostly likely less than 3-4mins total duration cumulatively.

Church bells do not mark the time by the hour. Town clock towers do that. They mark the seven christian devotions, eight if you count the Compline in the middle of the night - which is not, however, marked by a ringing of the bells.

They start with the Morning Offering, then moving to the Invocation, the Angelus (at noon), the Lord's Prayer, the Chaplet, the Memorare and then, finally, the Holy Rosary.

While not marking time by the hour, those devotions did mark, with the church bells, the work rhythm of the farmer's day in the field

 

[Czech_pivo]

Church bells do not mark the time by the hour. Town clock towers do that. They mark the seven christian devotions, eight if you count the Compline in the middle of the night - which is not, however, marked by a ringing of the bells.

They start with the Morning Offering, then moving to the Invocation, the Angelus (at noon), the Lord's Prayer, the Chaplet, the Memorare and then, finally, the Holy Rosary.

While not marking time by the hour, those devotions did mark, with the church bells, the work rhythm of the farmer's day in the field

I’d be happy if church bells were used to mark the top of the hour.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Mosque officials said the outdoor call will last approximately two to three minutes, just on Fridays before Jumu’ah services.

Right. 3 minute chants.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Sure, but irrelevant.

The preservation of liberal principles occasionally requires violating them, which is not abandonment if we return to them. (Abandonment would be violating and not returning). I am confident the people pushing overt displays of Islam are mostly those pursuing long-term agendas to bigfoot everyone else, not those merely trying to engage in a free exercise of religion. I accept the risk that some of the latter may be caught up by measures to shut down the former. Christianity has reformed its doctrines and actions immensely in the heart of Christianity (Europe, whether talking about Catholicism or one of the flavours of Protestanism), and arguably so has Judaism (in Israel). Saudia Arabia is the heart of Islam, and it is undeniably illiberal, as are many highly Islamic countries.

If we want Canada to be a liberal country, we have to recognize obvious risks and draw bright lines discouraging the development and exercise of illiberal belief systems, particularly those with an obvious political/governance nexus. I don't care whether it's Marxism, Russian or Chinese style communism, traditional Italian fascism, or Islam.

FWIW, British churches get alot of stick for their Sunday bell bonging, Viz:

Vicar defends ding-dong over church bell ringing in Hugglescote

The bells at a church in Hugglescote, Leicestershire, have rung on Sundays for more than 100 years.

www.bbc.com

 

[Altair]

Right. 3 minute chants.

3 minutes, once a week.

That will clearly ruin the remaining 10077 minutes of the week.

 

[Jarnhamar]

3 minutes, once a week.

That will clearly ruin the remaining 10077 minutes of the week.

How many minutes per week of religious chanting can speakers pump out before the remaining minutes of the week are ruined?

 

[mariomike]

Not sure what the bylaw is in every Canadian municipality, but five times a day , year round , "at all hours " in at least one American city.

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. (AP) — Minneapolis will allow broadcasts of the Muslim call to prayer at all hours, becoming the first major U.S. city to allow the announcement or "adhan" to be heard over speakers five times a day, year-round.

Minneapolis becomes first major U.S. city to broadcast Islamic call to prayer 5 times per day

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. (AP) — Minneapolis will allow broadcast of the Muslim call to prayer in early mornings and late evenings, becoming the first major U.S. city to allow the announcement over speakers five times a day, year-round.

www.pbs.org

 

[Altair]

How many minutes per week of religious chanting can speakers pump out before the remaining minutes of the week are ruined?

Its currently 3 minutes out of 10080.

The pearl clutching is completely unnecessary.

 

[Brad Sallows]

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. (AP) — Minneapolis will allow broadcasts of the Muslim call to prayer at all hours, becoming the first major U.S. city to allow the announcement or "adhan" to be heard over speakers five times a day, year-round.

"Minneapolis."

Clear enough to anyone following US politics and social news.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Its currently 3 minutes out of 10080.

The pearl clutching is completely unnecessary.

Is there a point your books where it would it be too much?

 

[Altair]

Is there a point your books where it would it be too much?

9 minutes and more than one day.

 

[Jarnhamar]

9 minutes and more than one day.

If you support 9 minutes a day why not just go with 5 times a day for the standard 2-4 minutes per call?

If you're going to do something do it right as they say.