Keir Starmer Announces Resignation

[Altair]

Germany and France recently had political crises that exceeded the bounds of a PM being ejected by his own party which, in Britain at least, is not considered unusual. I am confident there will be more.

Finally some light humour. "Ungovernable" is a laughing-stock word among people who have noticed that almost every time political establishments run into difficulty having their way, the country is pronounced "ungovernable". It is about as useful a word as "robust".

Its ungovernable because the electorate is asking for the impossible.

How does one maintain services like the NHS and pump more money into the military, without raising taxes or borrowing more? All the while stuck with lower growth due to brexit.

Two parties have tried, two parties are going through leaders faster than it takes to go from olympic hosts.

Sure, give reform the reins, its the same math. Math the electorate doesnt seem to understand or care about.

At least when Chretien and Martin had to slash federal spending the public knew it had to be done. Chretien wasnt ousted because of it, Martin didnt have his career ended.

The UK is incapable of that it seems.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Its ungovernable because the electorate is asking for the impossible.

How does one maintain services like the NHS and pump more money into the military, without raising taxes or borrowing more? All the while stuck with lower growth due to brexit.

Who knows? Maybe they just absolutely gut everything providing services and transfers to people on a public teat.

 

[Altair]

Who knows? Maybe they just absolutely gut everything providing services and transfers to people on a public teat.

100 percent what needs to happen. Something needs to give.

But the second someone does, their popularity would plummet and they would be replaced.

Again, I don't use the term ungovernable lightly. Even France, with it's 3 blocs that hate each other can find room to compromise because it's the electorate that is split, not so much the political class. The UK is ungovernable because it's the entire electorate that is split from those who need to face the practical realities of running the country. The electorate is united, left and right, that they don't want the government to touch their services, and the government cannot afford to do it without raising taxes or borrowing more, and the electorate wont stand for higher taxes and the bond market will cripple the UK if they borrow more.

Until such a time as someone gets into power and is willing to pay the price to gut everything while holding on to their job, somehow, that country is going to cycle through PMs faster than the olympics.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I am trying to think of any prior instance I've come across of someone advancing the proposition that moving from resources to services is not entirely a good idea, and coming up short. Usually in Canada we lament our position as "hewers-of-wood-and-drawers-of-water" and dream about moving up.

Well done.

Exiting the EU added transaction costs which resulting in some outflows, but it didn't end the country.

No, but did create enough impediments to the delivery of services as well as their remaining goods which previously had unrestricted access to one of the largest economies on the planet.

It was an act of self harm. The only people that seemed to benefit from it were the criminals and billionaires who can continue to wash and shelter their money in the UK banking system, without the additional EU rules that came in after Brexit. The majority of the population is objectively worse off.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Britain is waking up, and not a moment to soon.
He won't suffer though. He'll take a desk job at WEF, in the NWO deptartment.

 

[QV]

No, but did create enough impediments to the delivery of services as well as their remaining goods which previously had unrestricted access to one of the largest economies on the planet.

It was an act of self harm. The only people that seemed to benefit from it were the criminals and billionaires who can continue to wash and shelter their money in the UK banking system, without the additional EU rules that came in after Brexit. The majority of the population is objectively worse off.

All this advocating for another country (UK) to be a part of a big economic union, but when it comes to Canada and its obvious option — NOPE!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

All this advocating for another country (UK) to be a part of a big economic union, but when it comes to Canada and its obvious option — NOPE!

What do you think the PM has been doing? Travelling around Europe, handing out MOU's to his buddies about becoming an unofficial EU trade member. And has been for over a year.

 

[Altair]

All this advocating for another country (UK) to be a part of a big economic union, but when it comes to Canada and its obvious option — NOPE!

With all due respect, who in Canada or this site is saying we shouldn't sign a new CUSMA agreement?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Its ungovernable because the electorate is asking for the impossible.

How does one maintain services like the NHS and pump more money into the military, without raising taxes or borrowing more? All the while stuck with lower growth due to brexit.

Two parties have tried, two parties are going through leaders faster than it takes to go from olympic hosts.

Sure, give reform the reins, its the same math. Math the electorate doesnt seem to understand or care about.

At least when Chretien and Martin had to slash federal spending the public knew it had to be done. Chretien wasnt ousted because of it, Martin didnt have his career ended.

The UK is incapable of that it seems.

I'll bet the money countries spend on illegal immigrant everything would return billions to be used for the country's infrastructure. The problem is governments that do it and end up with that windfall don't use it for that. They always seem to treat it as new money and end up spending it on some other form of woke bullshit.

 

[Altair]

I'll bet the money countries spend on illegal immigrant everything would return billions to be used for the country's infrastructure. The problem is governments that do it and end up with that windfall don't use it for that. They always seem to treat it as new money and end up spending it on some other form of woke bullshit.

yeah, im sure conservatives who were in power from 2010 were doing that woke bullshit.

 

[QV]

With all due respect, who in Canada or this site is saying we shouldn't sign a new CUSMA agreement?

Now thats not quite the same thing as being a full member of the EU now is it? But you knew that.

 

[Altair]

Now thats not quite the same thing as being a full member of the EU now is it? But you knew that.

What, you want to join a north american union type thing?

That wouldnt be anything close to the EU either, seeing as no EU country has that big a population or economic dominance over the entire union.

Sorry, am I slow? What am i missing here?

 

[OldSolduer]

Democracy as we know it is unsustainable. We the electorate want more and more then bitch like babies when taxes go sky high.
It doesn’t help when government hands over our money to foreigners that actually want to spend subjugate us.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

yeah, im sure conservatives who were in power from 2010 were doing that woke bullshit.

The Conservatives didn't go out and encourage illegal entry, with benefits far beyond any pensioner in Canada. That was the liberals.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

What, you want to join a north american union type thing?

That wouldnt be anything close to the EU either, seeing as no EU country has that big a population or economic dominance over the entire union.

Sorry, am I slow? What am i missing here?

We've had that exact union for years. It worked fine. Until trump.