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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Poilievres interview on Joe Rogan was supposed to end his career.
Good point - but now, there’s someone actually not precisely in lockstep with the coach (other than saying Team Blue Ontario’s way too Red) in a public way. That said …
Jamil will end his career as leader of the opposition.
… while intriguing as the tiniest bit of freelance narrative stretching, still way too early for me to agree with “will.” Still worth watching, especially with the link to the US Veep.
 
Opening up the market for Hiluxes and Kei-trucks is a smart play.

Now you're speaking my language.

give it to me GIF
 
Apparently its California wine and Bourbon (from Kentucky) were the big ones we put on our shelves.
American beer was never really a big seller up here.

The big one to watch out for here is Canadian hard liquors (Such as Forty Creek Rye and Canadian Club Whiskey), are 70% export product, the majority of it going to the USA.

All fine, to be "elbows up" and stand by your principles, but principles won't feed your family, pay your ever rising electrical bills, pay your mortgage or rent, etc.

Now, this will piss some of you off. Why does PM MC have roughly 90% of personal assets invested in American companies? It has been asked again and again. How "elbows up" is he really?

I spoke to my friend Dan, who is a third generation dairy farmer here in Ontario (he is 41 and considered a baby in the dairy farming circles). There are many in dairy who do want to see a gradual phase out of dairy quota system. It has not over the long term saved dairy farms. In Ontario, we have lost the vast majority of them in the last 50 years. My uncle gave up his quota in 2005 and refused to let his sons take it over. My grandfather (as I stated previously) was one of the lobbyist to help implement the system and before he died in 2012 (at the ripe young age at 99), he stated he was very disappointed by what the dad system had become.

Australia and New Zealand phased out their supply management systems for dairy. Older farmers got out and retired with their skin in tact. Younger more ambitious dairy farmers who put in the work and sought out new markets, grew their farms.

WTF are we holding onto with supply management?
It would be interesting to know how Au and NZ wound up their supply management system. Pre-supply management here, dairies were close by, and dairy farmers complained that they would truck their milk to them only be told they don't want/need it and they ended up dumping it. We won't see village dairies anymore. I wonder if the Aussies and Kiwis sign supply contracts with their dairies.

Ask your friend Dan what he paid for his quota and how he thinks that debt should be treated.
 
Good enough for mounting a ZSU-23 good enough for the farm
Hilux is the Go To truck for farming in over half the world. Border Collies in the British Isles are genetically adapted get in them. The public doesn’t understand how much of an upgrade such a truck would be.
And their new 4 cyl diesel with the flat deck folding side and the FJ cruiser front end. Oh my Lord, what a beautiful beast.

But no, not enough NA content so let’s bring in Chinese electric junk.
 
It's real funny listening to a bunch of politicians and bureaucrats on both sides of the border talk about tariffs, trade deficits, economic policy, etc.

Whether it’s meeting a production quota, keeping a customer, turning a profit, or simply keeping the operation running, all the bullshit spewed from people's mouths who face no personal downside hus5 lands differently.
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On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"


This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

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It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:


It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here 😉
 
On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"


This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

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It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:


It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here 😉
The country to our south is more involved with China, and is even more fractured along political lines, with environmental regulation between states far more divergent than Canada's policies vs. America's national ones.

I'm also pretty sure that attacking people is the worst way to get them to change... But I'm sure the 9D chess the administration is playing is going to work this time. It's totally not a distraction from their other problems, mostly self-inflicted.

Any Canadian arguing for more American hegemonic control of Canada is walking a very thin line.
 
It would be interesting to know how Au and NZ wound up their supply management system. Pre-supply management here, dairies were close by, and dairy farmers complained that they would truck their milk to them only be told they don't want/need it and they ended up dumping it. We won't see village dairies anymore. I wonder if the Aussies and Kiwis sign supply contracts with their dairies.

Ask your friend Dan what he paid for his quota and how he thinks that debt should be treated.
I think village dairies can return in the right location and circumstances. Our village cheese shop closed a few years ago and has now reopened with all manner of dairy including milk. It’s all local. The supply is a pain but they manage as a specialty shop. It is the grocery store lobby and the dairy boards who killed off these little shops but they are indeed resurfacing. It’s possible to run them as a co-op which is all the more attractive. I believe the base business case model is a population base of 10,000 with no more than 2 general grocers in that base, and a postal code with average household income over 110,000$. The draw is the dairy product is a “bar”, and there is usually a cafe and bakery involved. I quite enjoy ours, I do hope they make a comeback. Yes, you pay a premium price or buy a membership and commit to a minimum monthly purchase for a discount. And there is, of course, a glass, clay or aluminum bottle exchange.
A clever operator would situate near a weekly town gathering such as farmers market, or for some reason a pharmacy, bookstore or specialty apothecary (where you have to wait for mixtures.) seem to work.
 
On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"


This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

View attachment 101877


It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:


It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here 😉
Ah yes. Unleash tariffs on the entire world to get Canada to change its behaviour.

That makes sense.

Bold Strategy Cotton GIF by MOODMAN
 
On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"


This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

View attachment 101877


It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:


It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here 😉
Well apparently the behaviour they wanted to change was our capacity to make independent policy decisions. While that may fill you with glee it doesnt do it for me.
 
On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"


This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

View attachment 101877


It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:


It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here 😉
Good enough for mounting a ZSU-23 good enough for the farm
My 2015 Hilux😁
 

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