CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[HavokFour]

Oh my god what the hell. 100% some kind of messed up customs union.

[CBC]Details on restricting Canada's ability to strike new trade deals

Earlier, Carney said the U.S. tried to restrict Canada's ability to strike new trade deals with other countries. We're getting some more context on that now.

The Trump administration briefed the U.S. steel and aluminum industry on the potential deal with Canada earlier this week, and the industry wrote a report about that briefing for their membership, according to a source with knowledge of the report's contents.

The source told CBC News the Canadian government was expected to agree to apply steel and aluminum tariffs on all of its trading partners at a rate comparable to what the U.S. has applied (50 per cent).

However, countries that have a free trade agreement with Canada would be treated differently. In those cases, Canada would have to establish a tariff rate quota, meaning a certain amount of product would be allowed into the country at a lowered tariff rate.

Carney said today that any restrictions on Canada's ability to strike new trade deals across the world are "unacceptable."

 

[brihard]

Oh my god what the hell. 100% some kind of messed up customs union.

[CBC]Details on restricting Canada's ability to strike new trade deals

Yeah no. They can fuck themselves with a sanding block. We will not be their extraterritorial tariff bitch. If the U.S. want to play silly bigger with tariffs they can have at ‘er, but we’ll make our own policy decisions, thanks. Why would we become complicit in screwing our reliable trading partners?

 

[Altair]

We don’t want to poison the well.

Looks like Mark Carney was comfortable poisoning the well.


*Not that I agree with this notion, as I think attacking us for unfair trade practices in response to us responding to their unfair tariffs is poisoning the well, but I digress.

 

[brihard]

Has Trump said anything of real substance on this since last night? I checked and there’s no unhinged Truth Social rant as of yet.

 

[Altair]

Has Trump said anything of real substance on this since last night? I checked and there’s no unhinged Truth Social rant as of yet.

We know its coming. Economic D day on Canada or something equally brain dead.

Although its funny watching this play out. Just like Iran, promises he's close to a deal, its a great deal, deadline comes, Americans change the terms in writing that were agreed to verbally, deal falls apart.

 

[YZT580]

I have no sense of taste, so I'll drink whatever rotgut is put in front of me.

That being said, bring it back and see how many folks actually come out a buy it. If it ain't selling the stores wont stock it.

Let's watch the border figures for a bit. People have slowly been drifting back to their old habits and crossing over for shopping or for Disneyworld. Be very interesting to see if that trend continues or will people go back to the no go.

 

[YZT580]

As farm kid from SW MB, I witnessed first hand the exodus from the farms of Canada. When I started kindergarten in 1966, I had just missed going to the one room school house that was a mile up the road. The schools were being consolidated into the larger towns so I climbed into a big long bus packed with kids from 5 years old to 18. I recall one school district building a more modern school for it area, my dad was dead set against it because he could see it wasn't sustainable.

Back then you could raise a family on a 160 acres, but just barely and the writing was on the wall regarding the future of that quarter section. My dad was considered a large farmer at the time as had a section and a half of land plus about 100 head of cattle but he could see that shortly he and my brother were going to have to purchase more land to survive. Also many of our neighbours were making the same choice, get bigger or get out. Most of them decided to get out and by the time I graduated from high school that bus was a lot smaller and it was carrying only 6 or 7 kids.

Another thing, before the Marketing Boards came in, we had 4 milk cows, raised some pigs for slaughter, and had laying hens. There was creamery in town and the co-op took all of the extra eggs that mom had. Everything was homemade.
With the establishment of the marketing boards in 1971, the creamery was soon gone and we got rid of the milk cows and hens.

The boards were designed to save the small milk farms, same as the Wheat Board was designed for the quarter section farm. But times changed and the Wheat Board went away and I believe that likely the Marketing Board should as well. Dairy farms will get bigger as scale seems to be the only thing that matters now.
But I'm not confident that ridding us of the Marketing Boards will make milk, cheese and butter any cheaper. I have yet to see ANYTHING get cheaper.

Oh and the US Secretary of Agriculture saying that the decline of Wisconsin Dairy farms are due to Canada? She can go fuck herself , because as I described above, modern agriculture caused the exodus from rural North America, it damn sure wasn't the Canadian Milk Marketing Board!

the demise of the small farm can also be attributed to more government regs. me thinks. Mennonite friends from near Waterloo ran dairy for years. No electricity so the milk went in cans and in the watertrough until the truck came. Along came the NDP in Ontario and they were told to install all the pipes and power and coolers as mandated by health and safety. Told their equipment wasn't clean enough. Except it was. They tried to health test them into non-compliance and discovered that their boiling and sterilizing was far more effective than the new systems. Didn't matter though, cause the book says....Government regs have closed down a lot of agricultural and food related jobs. How many small slaughter houses and full service butcher shops do you see?

 

[McG]

PM’s statement:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2091008744427598021