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Canada the Old

I started to reply to this discussion but decided that my anecdotal experience growing up in Toronto 50 years ago would add little. I often look curiously at people who state that they would have no intention of leaving the city under any circumstances, then recall that I grew up with people like that. People complain that the expectations and priorities of younger generations are skewed, but I'll bet if some builder offered homes with arborite countertops and white painted appliances, they wouldn't be a whole lot cheaper, because land costs are such a large portion these days. Living in the rurals or smaller communities are great options for those willing to take it, but there has to be a way to make a living. Not everyone can be farmer; not everyone can work online.

I pretty much stick to my "little boomer haven". Walk a lot. Can't stand city driving , and good luck parking.

I like nothing better than to go to Union Station and say, "Give me a ticket to anywhere". Low speed rail is fine with me. < smile
 
You can very well fill your bank account, if you work under a contract with a DB pension with unlimited cost-of-living adjustment.

I'm always amused when I find out teachers in the public system are paying big bucks to send their own kids to pricey private schools.
I'm not saying it's bad, but it isn't that much $$$, especially when you consider all the time off.
 
I'm not saying it's bad, but it isn't that much $$$, especially when you consider all the time off.
$70K is pretty darn low, in some places. BC salary grids. As once explained to me, maximum step in those grids was usually achieved by mid-30s in terms of teacher ages. Maybe things have changed and pigs are flying, but I doubt very much the union would have consented at some point to moving the top steps further down the age profile.

I also doubt the salary in the salary grid includes all compensation. Certainly it's unrealistic to compare the salary of someone who has to fund his retirement, health care, etc out of his salary with the salary of someone who has additional employer-provided funds to provide some or all of those things.
 
I'm not saying it's bad, but it isn't that much $$$, especially when you consider all the time off.
A average teacher in Ontario makes 100k a year working 2/3 of the year, which is more than double the median income in Canada (44k approximately).

Reality is most Canadians make a lot less. 100k isn’t that great a income anymore but it is still a lot more than the majority are making.
 
A average teacher in Ontario makes 100k a year working 2/3 of the year, which is more than double the median income in Canada (44k approximately).

Reality is most Canadians make a lot less. 100k isn’t that great a income anymore but it is still a lot more than the majority are making.
Median, not average. Teachers start at roughly $58,000 and it can top out at around $120,000 for the most senior teachers. That's really not that much over an entire career.

It's an honorable profession and a good salary but you aren't breaking bank on a teachers wage.
 
I think I was more of a follower than a leader.

More importantly, when they went over budget, they fired ( not laid off for recall - fired ) Management.

I saw them fire ten Management in a single day to save money. And many more over the years.

Never a paramedic layoff.
Being unionized probably had the most to do with that.
 
Median, not average. Teachers start at roughly $58,000 and it can top out at around $120,000 for the most senior teachers. That's really not that much over an entire career.

It's an honorable profession and a good salary but you aren't breaking bank on a teachers wage.
Still well above the average wage. This is isn’t America where it can be a poverty wage.

Yes you aren’t making ridiculous money, but very few people actually do. It certainly is better than the majority of Canadians.

So cost of living is a definite problem but...... I think there is a lack of individual accountability and just a lack of ambition overall these days. I wasn't a particularly gifted student or master of anything really. What I did was I acquired skills and moved where opportunities were. I've moved 7 times in the past decade and 4 times in the past 6 years. There were risks involved and nobody told me how it was going to work out... I just did it because I've got confidence and some ambition.

Want to be a Millionaire as a Millenial? Pretty simple, for starters don't live in super expensive CMAs like Toronto or Vancouver. Second of all, if everyone else is doing it, it's probably not a very good way to make $$$.


I have chased assignments outside the major metropolitan areas. My wife and I have one child and a second one on the way. I am turning 40 this year and my wife is 34.

I worked in Military, Transportation and now Metals & Mining. It's at the point now where we are able to live on one income. I own a house and make a substantial amount of $$$. Enough to own multiple vehicles, support a family of four, own our own home, have substantial investments, etc.

My wife worked but now she doesn't for the time being. We want kids and she wants 18 months off, which she already took for our last child so we made the decision for her to not work. She likes working but I would say since having children, her priorities have changed, she doesn't care so much about her career anymore and wants to focus on our kids. We are fortunate that I make the kind of $$$ I do for her to be able to do that.

That's my situation and I know it's not the norm though. I have an incredibly obscure CV with a bunch of difficult to obtain certifications that can't really be recreated easily. Some of them I acquired by luck, a lot of them I got by grinding from the time I was 18 until now.

I sometimes think we aren't doing that well because I compare it to what my parents were able to have at our age but then I realize that's also not realistic. The average person can't afford anything near what I can afford or live the life I live. The workforce and government systems are also not designed to support hard work, because Canada has a serious case of tall-poppy syndrome. My wife isn't working so I am supporting my entire family.... Do I get a tax break? Nope. We actually get taxed more than if my wife and I were both working and making the same amount collectively. Can I access any Govt programs my $$$ pays for? Nope.

I am anti-big Govt for the most part. I want them involved as little as possible in my life. I also want to keep as much of my $$$ for my family as possible.


I know a few and they are all in my friends circle. They of course all have high paying jobs, own houses, married, etc.

If you want to be successful, you also need to associate yourself with other successful people.
I got a right place right time situation as well, odds are I am younger than 95% of people on here, I am just turning 32 this year.

You are right that living in a low cost of living area is key, but that isn’t great advice as if everyone did it, those areas wouldn’t be low cost of living.

I personally lucked into the skilled trades right when everyone was seeking apprentices, meanwhile when I started college I was literally laughed at by a few people as there was ‘no jobs in the trades’. Since then through hard work and a ton of effort even when not required I have honed skillsets that lots of people lack (was running a vertical lathe from 1891 yesterday and saving my company about 390k on a job because of it).

Very similar boat to you, own a house, single income household (not by choice, severely disabled child which makes that mandatory, even though my wife has a 38$ a hour certification), married (income splitting should be a thing for all married couples), low cost of living area, a couple vehicles paid off, etc.

That being said I understand the benefits of having a safety net due to that disabled child. I used to think in individual terms but now I have moved more collective in the fact that without the supports available we would not be able to take care of him, or at least not to the full extent of his needs (I say this as we prepare to head to sick kids for the 4th time this year at the end of the month).

There is 100% a individual component to societal woes, but there is also a system rigged against the majority.

My parents bought a new home on a security guard/army reserve officer salary and a part time teacher salary. They had kids by 25 (early 90s). It was very achievable.

My friends parents afforded houses on a warehouse managers salary and a minimum wage job.

Now it isn’t for the majority of the population to achieve that. The costs are way out of feasibility. That isn’t a good thing. Just saying move elsewhere doesn’t solve that and discredits the current struggles most people face:
 
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