New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Halifax Tar]

I no longer have a need to know about the Active/Passive Acoustic Towed Array that's replacing my old beloved SQR-19, but I'm glad to hear that new and better are coming. I can only imagine the leap in capability. I just hope that the MARS world (NWO) have learned the patience to do proper ASW. An ASW ex that is just 2 hours long is not enough.... I recall the old days of yore when we'd go Tail Wet 5-6 hours out of harbour, and only reel in during the RAS Window and the return to port.

(Eventually we trialed doing RASs with the tail out too.)

On FRE in 2019 during WUPs, we did a RAS with our tail out...

The ST did a MOB, so we did an emergency breakaway, during our maneuvering we drove over our own tail and chopped it off.

Biggest, by dollar value, single 152 I have ever done.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Ooooops!

 

[Underway]

On FRE in 2019 during WUPs, we did a RAS with our tail out...

The ST did a MOB, so we did an emergency breakaway, during our maneuvering we drove over our own tail and chopped it off.

Biggest, by dollar value, single 152 I have ever done.

Those things are almost consumables with how often they get damaged

 

[Halifax Tar]

Those things are almost consumables with how often they get damaged

100% Not consumable items. And very expensive.

 

[Kirkhill]

The Brits could move faster but .... reasons.

First Sea Lord denies Treasury is blocking faster delivery of Royal Navy frigates - Navy Lookout

General Sir Gwyn Jenkins expects two Type 26 frigates to enter service within five years and says the RN is working with industry to bring them online faster. Babcock is standing by its commitment to deliver HMS Venturer in 2028. Speaking at the Atlantic Future Forum in Oslo today, Jenkins said...

www.navylookout.com

 

[dapaterson]

100% Not consumable items. And very expensive.

The difference between an NWO and a Tar: the prior sees everything short of a catastrophic hull loss as "a consumable".

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I can confirm, Dapaterson. There are different levels of consumables depending on the circumstances. In wartime, for instance, the whole ship is a consumable.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I can confirm, Dapaterson. There are different levels of consumables depending on the circumstances. In wartime, for instance, the whole ship is a consumable.

Particularly Battlecruisers at Jutland

 

[quadrapiper]

The ST did a MOB, so we did an emergency breakaway, during our maneuvering we drove over our own tail and chopped it off.

Was that a major issue for props/shafts as well? Or is the tail light enough not to foul/damage things overmuch?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Was that a major issue for props/shafts as well? Or is the tail light enough not to foul/damage things overmuch?

We had to put divers down to inspect the props and shaft, but they were ok.

 

[suffolkowner]

If at first you don't succeed try, try, and try again.

repeat, repeat.
should have stuck with the Constellation since the work was done or buy some RCD

https://news.usni.org/2026/11/13/the-new-six-frigates

 

[Rainbow1910]

should have stuck with the Constellation since the work was done

The design was not workable at all in the state it found itself in, hence it being limited to the pair of already building ships and otherwise canceled. Hell, it seems to be up in the air if the pair being built will be scrapped entirely instead of finished.

The cost had risen to degrees where the capability offered was no longer economical, alongside the substantial increases in weight and complexity from requirements to meet USN survivability standards. From what I've heard, the weight margins, seakeeping and basic stability of the design was compromised in the process of making the FREMM design compliant with the ever changing requirement targets that the US had for it.

What came out the other side of the tortured FFG(X) program wasn't workable from a basic level, hence the program being canceled.