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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #225 on: September 21, 2015, 15:01:03 »
Note that the NDP HAS NOT promised to get rid of lump sum payments and bring back lifetime pensions. They never demanded this while official opposition either.
Not exactly - this, from the NDP's 2013 policy paper on the issue:
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.... New Democrats would review, improve, and update the entire New Veterans Charter (NVC) from top to bottom including the issue of lump-sum payments ....
I WILL grant you that a review =/= a commitment to change, but I haven't heard any such commitment from the Conservatives, either.  So far, the Liberals have promised a choice between lump sum & monthly payment, and the Greens have said "The Lump Sum Payment in lieu of lifetime pension for injuries sustained on duty for Canada must be scrapped ...."

The party's veteran promises, announced so far this campaign:
Still almost four weeks left, so loads of time for everyone to flesh out their promises.
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #226 on: September 22, 2015, 10:22:40 »
Well, the PAO in me is looking at the Liberal page and wondering if that is a stock photo from a CAF databank which they are using, which would be completely inappropriate and not just a little illegal during an election campaign.
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #227 on: September 22, 2015, 11:41:08 »
So as a Cole's notes for anyone wanting it, the NDP's only support for veterans is:

$454 million over 4 years ($113.5 million a year) split between:

- Treatment for PTSD and mental health issues
- Enhancements to long-term care (no details)
- Expand VIP program (no details)
- Increase survivor's pensions
- Ensure funding for Last Post Fund

So each survivor is going get a $20 increase a month for their pension, and maybe VIP will buy us a Timmies? Platitudes, and looks like a lot less money than what the Tories have already committed. This is what ABC Veterans claims is better?

When you factor in the increased cost to "study" this with the appropriate NDP friendly think tanks, say Rideau Institute, and then ensure that said "improvements" must be implemented by appropriate union persons which will each need more funds, I think the extra $20.00 and a Timmies is prpbably not going to happen.  8)
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #228 on: September 23, 2015, 06:28:07 »
.... For the record, comittments to vets so far with about four weeks left before voting day:

One more plank for the Conservatives' platform - new veterans ID (release also attached in case link doesn't work for you):
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.... the Honourable Erin O’Toole, on behalf of Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada, announced a new initiative to recognize the service of all Veterans and make it easier to access the services they need.

A re-elected Conservative government would issue a Canadian Veterans Card (CVC) to every Veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces.

“The Canadian Veterans Card will help hundreds of thousands of men and women who have proudly served Canada in the Armed Forces,” said O’Toole while making the announcement outside of CFB Gagetown NB.

“The CVC will be issued the moment a Veteran is released from the military, enabling Veterans Affairs Canada to immediately contact the Veteran and make him or her aware the benefits and services available.”

“This CVC will act as a catalyst to further close the seam between the Department of National Defence and Veterans Affairs Canada.” O’Toole added.

Every Military member who has completed basic training and who is honourably discharged will receive the CVC. This includes Regular Force, Reservists, Canadian Rangers and the Cadet Instructor Cadre.

Veterans Affairs Canada will also proactively reach out to existing Veterans to ensure they get their CVC.

The CVC will serve as official government identification ....
Meanwhile, the NVC litigation remains in play while others have been dropped, even during the campaign period.
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #229 on: September 23, 2015, 06:45:16 »
I'm going to guess that, just like the old service pins and the more modern e.g. SSI, these will be, somehow, coded ... i.e:

     1. Those with 28 or more years of service will get a Platinum card;

     2. There'll be a Gold card for those with more than 20 but less than 28 years of service;

     3. Those with more than, say, five or seven years of service will get a Blue card; and

     4. There will be a Green card for those who never managed to finish their initial engagement.

Sorta like ...

               

                                                                                                                                                   ... but, maybe, with a picture.  ;)
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #230 on: September 23, 2015, 07:40:59 »
And I for one as a future veteran am extremely underwhelmed by it all.

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #231 on: September 23, 2015, 07:44:37 »
My personal fave from the news release:
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.... Every Military member who has completed basic training and who is honourably discharged will receive the CVC. This includes Regular Force, Reservists, Canadian Rangers and the Cadet Instructor Cadre.

Veterans Affairs Canada will also proactively reach out to existing Veterans to ensure they get their CVC.

The CVC will serve as official government identification ....
Good use of resources, getting "papers" to ALL vets, given the percieved shortage of front-line staff  :facepalm:
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #232 on: September 23, 2015, 08:37:15 »
Just a stupid question that just popped into my mind: What the heck was my CF 75 for then?

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #233 on: September 23, 2015, 08:43:36 »
Just a stupid question that just popped into my mind: What the heck was my CF 75 for then?

1.  Not everyone got a CF 75.

2.  How could they justify keeping, or increasing, staff if they did not create another bureaucratic boon doggle ?

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #234 on: September 23, 2015, 08:44:36 »
Just a stupid question that just popped into my mind: What the heck was my CF 75 for then?


I think the complaint (valid for some) is that the CF-75 is only issued after n years of service (I forget how many) and there are, of course, some young combat veterans who served, very honourably, and left the CF, perhaps because of wounds, but do not qualify for the CF-75 because they didn't serve long enough.

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #235 on: September 23, 2015, 08:45:52 »
I'm going to guess that, just like the old service pins and the more modern e.g. SSI, these will be, somehow, coded ... i.e:

     1. Those with 28 or more years of service will get a Platinum card;

     2. There'll be a Gold card for those with more than 20 but less than 28 years of service;

     3. Those with more than, say, five or seven years of service will get a Blue card; and

     4. There will be a Green card for those who never managed to finish their initial engagement.

Sorta like ...

               

                                                                                                                                                   ... but, maybe, with a picture.  ;)

So, in other words, you'll be able to tell just how old a fart someone is by the colour of their card...
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2015, 08:59:39 »
So, in other words, you'll be able to tell just how old a fart someone is by the colour of their card...


Yep ... a very, very attractive young lady, a flight attendant on a good, global airline, once told me that her favourite colours were grey and platinum: enough grey in the hair to indicate maturity and enough platinum on the credit cards to indicate success.  :nod:
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #237 on: September 23, 2015, 09:06:05 »
I think the complaint (valid for some) is that the CF-75 is only issued after n years of service (I forget how many) and there are, of course, some young combat veterans who served, very honourably, and left the CF, perhaps because of wounds, but do not qualify for the CF-75 because they didn't serve long enough.
And one hopes that the new card will get the outgoing troop connected posthaste into the VAC sausage machine, something I don't think the NDI75 does now. 

Also, the NDI is NOT an I.D. card (as it says on the back), while the new card will be - no shortage of process involved to create ANOTHER certified piece of government I.D.
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #238 on: September 23, 2015, 21:21:45 »
And one hopes that the new card will get the outgoing troop connected posthaste into the VAC sausage machine, something I don't think the NDI75 does now. 

Also, the NDI is NOT an I.D. card (as it says on the back), while the new card will be - no shortage of process involved to create ANOTHER certified piece of government I.D.

Precisely. While I'm loathe to support another bureaucratic process, there's thousands of us that are only know to VAC once we initiate contact. For many, that's too late. VAC should have the name and address of every vet at their digital fingertips. They should be proactive with periodic mailings that advise vets of the services that are available to them, and provide contact information to start the various processes. Heck, if the veteran won't intervene on their own behalf, at least family can because they have the contact information. Will it cost? Sure, but I wager it's pretty cheap, and isn't that what we're asking for anyway? A better connection between VAC and vets and their families. Establishing contact with VAC should be part of the release process.
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #239 on: September 24, 2015, 07:54:47 »
For the record, comittments to vets so far with about four weeks left before voting day:
One more plank for the Conservatives' platform - new veterans ID (release also attached in case link doesn't work for you) ....
You can also check out this CTVNews.ca overview of what the parties commit to vets via their Minister or VAC critics.
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #240 on: September 24, 2015, 17:44:36 »
Curious what you folks think of a political candidate wearing medals while campaigning (Tim Laidler).

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/21/terry-fox-family-denies-support-for-tory-promise.html


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« Reply #241 on: September 24, 2015, 18:32:34 »
If they're his, he can wear them whenever and wherever he wants to.  It doesn't particularly move me on his merits one way or another.

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #242 on: September 24, 2015, 18:38:02 »
If they're his, he can wear them whenever and wherever he wants to.  It doesn't particularly move me on his merits one way or another.
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« Reply #243 on: September 24, 2015, 18:52:29 »
I would say it is "tacky".   :-\

Bad taste.   :-\
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #244 on: September 24, 2015, 18:58:07 »
Curious what you folks think of a political candidate wearing medals while campaigning (Tim Laidler).

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/21/terry-fox-family-denies-support-for-tory-promise.html


My, very personal, opinion is: it's in bad taste ... but, then, he's running for a seat in our House of Commons where, as far as I know, good taste is not highly valued.

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #245 on: September 24, 2015, 21:08:09 »
First thought was "just showing off", but if he has mentioned his service in public on record, then I don't see how wearing his medals changes anything.  If someone would be swayed by them, they would have been swayed by him saying "I was in the military doing xyz".
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #246 on: September 24, 2015, 21:12:31 »
Curious what you folks think of a political candidate wearing medals while campaigning (Tim Laidler).

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/21/terry-fox-family-denies-support-for-tory-promise.html

If memory serves and somewhere in this thread http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,99042.0.html are the details. Every sitting MP and Senator in 2012 was awarded/received a QDJM in addition to those they were allotted to hand out. So a lot could be wearing bling as they campaign. If it is considered tacky  then as Mr. Campbell many are applying for a position where tacky is often a asset.
 
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« Reply #247 on: September 24, 2015, 22:08:27 »
Looks like a CD as well as GCS(SWA) curious if he still has the ISAF bar attached or a roto bar.  The middle one might be a Beiber too.

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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #248 on: September 24, 2015, 22:22:54 »
Looks like a CD as well as GCS(SWA) curious if he still has the ISAF bar attached or a roto bar.  The middle one might be a Beiber too.

his Bio, http://www.timlaidler.ca/media/

he has both the GSC(SWA) and the QDJM
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Re: Veteran groups seek to influence the 2015 vote
« Reply #249 on: September 25, 2015, 00:04:44 »
He is in a catch 22.  He will be damned by vets for Not showing pride in his service, and pandering to Party PA officers if he does not wear them.

He wears them, and we admonish him for it, arguments aplenty; why?

Politics is war, and the one that stands is the one with the most votes.  I would rather have him use that technique and get in to parliament, than some local owner of the Cat food superstore. (I made that one up)

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