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Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« on: April 27, 2009, 10:05:42 »
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090427/121320414.html


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Russia to build 6 Kilo-class diesel submarines for Vietnam

MOSCOW, April 27 (RIA Novosti) - Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg will build six Kilo class diesel-electric submarines for delivery to Vietnam, the Russian business daily Kommersant said on Monday.

The paper quoted company general director Vladimir Aleksandrov as saying that Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport would soon sign a contract with a foreign state, and that Admiralty Shipyards had been chosen to fulfill this contract.

Sources in Rosoboronexport later confirmed that Russia and Vietnam had been negotiating a $1.8 billion deal on the delivery of six Kilo-class submarines to the Vietnamese navy for about a year.

Admiralty Shipyards is currently building two Kilo class submarines for Algeria to be delivered in 2009 and 2010.

Kilo class submarines, nicknamed "Black Holes" for their ability to avoid detection, are considered to be among the quietest diesel-electric submarines in the world.

The submarine is designed for anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface-ship warfare, and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions.

The vessel has a displacement of 2,300 tons, a maximum depth of 350 meters (1,200 feet), a range of 6,000 miles, and a crew of 57. It is equipped with six 533-mm torpedo tubes.

As of November 2006, 16 vessels were believed to be in active service with the Russian Navy and eight submarines were thought to be in reserve. Another 29 vessels have been exported to China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.


Looks like the PLAN will have a new headache from Beijing's old adversary Hanoi.
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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 11:54:30 »
Might be a good thing with the thawing in relations between Washington and Hanoi.
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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 00:56:54 »
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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 13:33:53 »
An update:

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Vietnam Agrees to Buy Subs, Planes From Russia
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Published: 16 Dec 2009 05:29 

MOSCOW - Vietnam and Russia signed a major arms deal and a nuclear energy agreement Dec. 15, a sign of reviving ties between Moscow and its former Soviet-era ally in Southeast Asia.

Hanoi agreed to buy Russian-made submarines and aircraft in the arms deal, which was signed in the presence of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and his visiting Vietnamese counterpart, Nguyen Tan Dung.

"Vietnam signed a contract for the purchase of submarines, planes and military equipment with the corresponding cooperation of the Russian side," Dung said in remarks translated into Russian.

Details were not released on the deal between Russian state-owned arms exporter Rosoboronexport and Vietnam's defense ministry.

However the Interfax news agency, citing an unnamed defense industry source, reported that Vietnam had agreed to buy six Russian-made submarines for a total price tag of about $2 billion (1.37 billion euros).

The six Kilo-class diesel-electric subs would be built for the Vietnamese navy at a rate of one per year, Interfax reported.

Moscow and Hanoi also inked a deal on the construction of Vietnam's first atomic power plant.

Last month, the Vietnamese parliament approved building the country's first nuclear power station, a lucrative project that has been keenly watched by potential foreign partners.

The agreement signed in Moscow was described as a memorandum on cooperation between Vietnamese electricity company EVN and Russia's state-owned atomic energy firm Rosatom, which had been interested in the project.

"Vietnam officially invites the Russian side to cooperate in the building of the first atomic energy plant in Vietnam under adherence to the necessary conditions," Dung said.
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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 11:10:05 »
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Vietnam buys 6 Kilo-Class Submarines

  Last year's contract on the delivery of six Kilo class diesel submarines to Vietnam, worth a total of $3.2 billion, is the largest deal in the history of Russian exports of naval equipment, a Russian magazine says.

The contract was signed in December 2009 during the visit of Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung to Russia.

"The construction cost is $2.1 billion, but the building of all necessary coastal infrastructure and the delivery of armaments and other equipment may bring the total to $3.2 bln, which makes this deal the largest in the history of Russian exports of naval equipment," the Export of Arms magazine says in an editorial published in its June issue.

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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 21:12:40 »
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Vietnam to Get Sub Fleet in 6 Years: State Media

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Published: 4 Aug 2011 20:45


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HANOI - Vietnam will have a submarine fleet within six years, the defense minister reportedly confirmed Aug. 4, in what analysts say is intended as a deterrent to China's increasing assertiveness at sea.
Russian media reported in December 2009 that Vietnam had agreed to buy half a dozen diesel-electric submarines for about $2 billion.

"In the coming five to six years, we will have a submarine brigade with six Kilo 636-Class subs," Defence Minister Phung Quang Thanh was quoted as saying by the state-controlled Tuoi Tre newspaper.

Thanh said the fleet was "definitely not meant as a menace to regional nations," according to the report.

"Buying submarines, missiles, fighter jets and other equipment is for self-defense," he was quoted as saying.

Ian Storey, a regional security analyst at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies (ISEAS) in Singapore, said the submarine deal has been driven by events in the South China Sea, where China and Vietnam have a longstanding territorial spat over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos.

Tensions rose after Vietnam in May accused Chinese marine surveillance vessels of cutting the exploration cables of an oil survey ship inside the country's exclusive economic zone.

"These purchases are designed to deter the Chinese from encroaching on Vietnamese sovereignty," Storey told AFP.

He said the country already operates two midget submarines bought years ago from North Korea.

In the newspaper report, Thanh did not specify how Vietnam was paying for its naval upgrade.

"It depends on our economic ability. Vietnam has yet to produce modern weapons and military equipment, which are costly to import," he said.

Analysts say the country's economy is in turmoil with galloping inflation, large trade and budget deficits, inefficient state spending, and other woes.

Much of Vietnam's military hardware is antiquated but this week it received the first of three new coastal patrol planes for the marine police, announced the manufacturer, Madrid-based Airbus Military.

Russian media reported last year that Vietnam ordered 12 Sukhoi Su-30MK2 warplanes in a deal worth about $1 billion.

Other nations in the region have accused China in recent months of becoming more aggressive in enforcing its claims to parts of the South China Sea.

The Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have overlapping claims to all or parts of the waters, which are potentially rich in oil and gas deposits and straddle vital commercial shipping lanes.

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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2013, 17:45:12 »
A belated update:

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Vietnam To Receive Advanced Russian Sub in 2013
source: "The Diplomat" link

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Ria Novsti reported that “The first of six Varshavyanka class (Project 636M) diesel-electric submarines will be delivered to Vietnam in 2013 as scheduled.” Commonly referred to as the Kilo-class, the subs reportedly boast “advanced stealth technology, extended combat range and ability to strike land, surface and underwater targets.”

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According to a recent article from USNI News, Vietnam has ordered the most advanced variant of the Kilo, the improved 636MV. The USNI article explained:

“The Project 636 Kilo-class submarine has been dubbed the “black hole” by the U.S. Navy for its level of quietness. The Project 636MV-class sub has improved stealth features through the removal of flooding ports and treating the hull with multilayer anechoic rubber tiles. The tiles are fitted on casings and fins to absorb active sonar waves that reduce and distort the return signal. The anechoic tiles also shield sounds from within the submarine thus reducing the range of detection by passive sonar.”

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While such a purchase by Vietnam will surely increase its undersea capabilities, it will take years for such subs to come online. All of the vessels crews will need to undergone extensive training and the subs will also need to be thoroughly tested. Also, all six submarines will not all be available for duty at all times, as such vessels are cycled in and out of service for repair and training.


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The Kilo class sub, Ha Noi at Kaliningrad before being handed over to Vietnamese service:

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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 23:09:06 »
If they remove the flooding ports, how does the boat submerge?


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India to train Vietnam's Kilo sub crews in submarine warfare
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 17:45:54 »
Isn't it ironic that two operators of Kilo class subs (India and Vietnam) are training to possibly counter a third operator of Kilos (China)?

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India To Train Vietnamese Sailors, Expand Ties

NEW DELHI — India will train Vietnamese sailors in submarine warfare as part of its effort to reinforce defense ties with countries across the Asia-Pacific region.

The development is expected to disturb Beijing, analysts and officials said, and will be closely watched by Pakistan.

Vietnam has ordered six Kilo-class subs from the Russian Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg to add to its of two South Korean-made Yugo-class midget submarines. India has operated Kilos since 1986.

Like India, Vietnam has fought with China and is fast emerging as an economic power in the region, said an Indian Navy official, who said New Delhi should aid Vietnam in any way it can.


“The Sino-Indian ties are poised in a very delicate phase with many ups and downs,” said Probal Ghosh, a senior fellow with the Observer Research Foundation. “This will definitely affect the ties, even though China is well aware that we are supporting Vietnam for strategic gains against China.

“There is a likelihood that it may prove to be the impetus for China to consider giving Pakistan a nuclear submarine,” Ghosh added. “Such a move will really up the ante and will affect India’s security calculus considerably.”

However, analysts agree that India should warm ties with Vietnam, despite Beijing’s response.

“It is important that we engage with Vietnam,” defense analyst Anil Jai Singh said. “It is an emerging country in the region; we have always had good relations with it and we must engage economically, politically and militarily to develop a strong bilateral relationship. We are doing this independent of the US, but they would not be averse to our growing relationship. If China gets disturbed, well, so be it.”

A diplomat from the Vietnamese Embassy here said defense cooperation is a pillar of strategic partnership between the two coun­tries, which he said will increase further to include joint development of defense projects but declined to specify details.

India will train Vietnamese sailors to operate submarines and to engage in underwater warfare, said the Indian Navy source, adding that the training would take place on a Russian-made Kilo sub.

India has also decided to give a $100 million credit line to Vietnam to buy military equipment, including offshore patrol vessels, an Indian Defence Ministry source said, but a deal hasn’t been formalized.


The extension of military credit would be the first India has given to any country.

India and Vietnam are jointly exploring for oil in the Phu Kanh basin of the South China Sea, which Vietnam says is within its zone of influence, a claim China disputes.

Vietnam has been negotiating with India to acquire the supersonic anti-ship cruise missile BrahMos, which is built jointly here by India and Russia. No deal has been finalized to sell the missile, which has land and sea versions, with an air version under development.

Sale of the BrahMos is questionable because Russia has friendly relations with China, and there could be issues relating to international controls. The BrahMos’ 290-kilometer range could be extended beyond 300 kilometers, putting it under Missile Technology Control Regime restrictions.

“I think the restrictive regimes would preclude any such thing happening in the near future. India itself would consider such a possibility very carefully,” Singh said.

As their ties strengthen, “India could ... consider ... including Vietnam in the future network-centric warfare program,”defense analyst Nitin Mehta said. ■



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Vietnam's 1st Kilo class sub arrives in Vietnam
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2014, 10:22:08 »
Vietnam's 1st Kilo class sub arrives in Vietnam, while it takes delivery of the 2nd one in Russia:

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1st kilo-class submarine arrives in Vietnam
Updated : 01/01/2014

Hanoi HQ 182, the first of six Kilo-class submarines that Vietnam contracted to buy from Russia in 2009, on Tuesday evening arrived in Cam Ranh military port where it will be delivered to Vietnam’s Navy.

The kilo-class submarine was transported from St. Petersburg, Russia by a heavy-lift vessel Rolldock Sea. ...

 The Kilo HQ-182 Hanoi submarine was built in Admiralty Verfi Shipyards in St. Petersburg and had been tested near Svetlyi port in Kaliningrad.

It is among the six Kilo-class submarines covered in a contract Vietnam signed with Russia during Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung’s visit to the country in 2009. Delivery of Hanoi HQ 182 will be followed by two of her sister subs slated for completion and transport next year.

The submarines, which have successfully undergone more than 20 test dives, have a displacement of 3,000-3,950 tons each, can operate at a maximum depth of 300 meters and at a range of 6,000-7,500 nautical miles for 45 days and nights, and carry a crew of 52.

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Vietnam accepted the second project 636 SSK and officially commissioned the first one

22 January 2014

On the morning of January 15, 2014 in the Vietnamese naval base in Cam Ranh Bay , took place the commissioning ceremony of the Vietnamese Navy large diesel - electric submarine (SSK) HQ-182 "Hà Nôi" (Project 636 Kilo/Varshavyanka class). It is the first unit of six SSK built in Russia by JSC "Admiralty Shipyards" under a 2009 contract. In a ceremony attended by Navy Commander of the Vietnam People's Navy (VNA), Vietnam Deputy Defence Minister Admiral Nguyen Van Hien and Deputy Commander of the Navy Vice Admiral VNA Pham Ngoc Minh. ...


 On January 16, 2014 at "Admiralty Shipyards" in St. Petersburg took place the signing of technical acceptance between Vietnamese Navy and the shipyard for the second submaine HQ-183 "Ho Chi Minh". "Ho Chi Minh" was laid on September 28, 2011 , launched on 28 December 2012 and started builder's sea trials in the summer of 2013.

It is reported that on January 19 submarine Ho Chi Minh sailed from St. Petersburg to Kaliningrad to be loaded onto a transport vessel for subsequent delivery to Vietnam. It is expected to arrive in Vietnam in early March 2014.

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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2014, 16:09:58 »
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India has also decided to give a $100 million credit line to Vietnam to buy military equipment, including offshore patrol vessels, an Indian Defence Ministry source said, but a deal hasn’t been formalized.

In 2012, Canada gave $96 million in aid to India. http://cidpnsi.ca/blog/portfolio/canadas-foreign-aid/

If India can afford to give loans or lines of credit for military purposes, to Vietnam, Canada should stop giving financial aid to India. They no longer need our money.

That $96 million can be better spent here.


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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2014, 16:29:51 »
In 2012, Canada gave $96 million in aid to India. http://cidpnsi.ca/blog/portfolio/canadas-foreign-aid/

If India can afford to give loans or lines of credit for military purposes, to Vietnam, Canada should stop giving financial aid to India. They no longer need our money.

That $96 million can be better spent here.

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Russia lays down Vietnam's final Kilo class submarine
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 13:22:15 »
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Russia lays down Vietnam's final Kilo-class submarine

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore
IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
08 June 2014


The sixth Improved 'Kilo' (Project 636)-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) on order for the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) Navy was laid down on 28 May at the Admiralty Shipyards in St Petersburg, Russia, according to local media reports.

The vessel, Vung Tau, is the final SSK procured from Russia under a 2009 contract worth USD2 billion.

The boats feature six 533 mm tubes that can launch TEST-71 series anti-surface and anti-submarine heavyweight torpedoes.

Unnamed defence officials also told state-run news agency RIA Novosti that the third SSK, Haiphong, is undergoing sea trials while the fourth, Da Nang, was floated out in March. Vietnam commissioned first-in-class Hanoi in January.

All six boats are scheduled for delivery by 2016.

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Vietnam commissions 2 more Kilo class subs
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2015, 15:35:37 »
This brings Vietnam's active sub force to 4 Kilo class SSKs:

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Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China

Armed with land-attack cruise missiles, these two new vessels could cause major headaches for China’s naval forces.


By Franz-Stefan Gady
August 06, 2015

On August 1, the Vietnamese Navy commissioned two new Russian-made Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, according to Thanh Nien News.

The 184-Hai Phong and 185-Khanh Hoa were both commissioned during a ceremony held at Cam Ranh Naval in Khanh Hoa province, south of Hanoi.

The commander of the Vietnam People’s Navy, Rear Admiral Hoai Nam noted that this constituted  “a major step of modernizing the Navy, and the People’s Army of Vietnam in general.”


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He also emphasized that the acquisition of the two new vessels should not trigger a new arms race in the region or deter other countries but merely protect Vietnam’s sovereignty and help safeguard peace in the region.

The two new vessels will join the Submarine Brigade 189, which is already home to the Vietnam People’s Navy’s first two Kilo-class SSKs – the 182-Hanoi and 183-Ho Chi Minh. Vietnam is expected to field a fleet of six Kilo-class SSKs total.


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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2015, 18:41:17 »
I don't mean to jump on the "woe is me" bandwagon in regards to the RCN.

But its pretty sad that Vietnam...VIETNAM...has a larger & more capable submarine force than we do, given that we have one of the largest coastlines in the world (by far) and are a G7 nation.

I know it doesn't need to be said, just throwing it out there.  Sigh.
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Re: Vietnam getting 6 Kilo class submarines from Russia
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 14:32:43 »
Vietnam's SSK force on the move!

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South China Sea dispute: Vietnamese subs deployed as deterrent to China

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    January 7, 2016 - 2:44PM

Lindsay Murdoch
South-East Asia correspondent for Fairfax Media

An older Russian-built, Kilo-class diesel submarine. Photo: Handout


Bangkok: The first of Vietnam's new advanced Kilo-class submarines have begun patrolling disputed waters of the South China Sea, as deterrents to China's 10 times-bigger navy, Vietnamese officials and diplomatic sources say.

Vietnam is also expanding use of its strategically important Cam Ranh Bay deep-water harbour, where six of the submarines will be based by 2017.



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