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Hello
Im sorry to bother but i would like to know if you can give us some advise....
My husband is going as sonar op after his bmq. He graduates 26 August 2016 and after that he should be going to Esquimalt. We have to kids (2 and 1 years old) and I'm really stress of our future like a family. I know that he will be 5 weeks training fleet school and after that 25 weeks sonar op. He is from Quebec , he is good in English but maybe he will taking some second language class...... How long till we will be allow to move over there??? We really have to wait till his training is over??? If we don't count the time that he will be on PAt, we are talking about almost a year apart. Any possibilities that we can move sooner???
Thanks for ur answers....

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2016, 12:56:53 »
He "COULD" ask for a PMQ if the wait time is OVER a year. 

Nothing is sure , depends on a LOT of different options. 



I will be doing this exact process in about 2 weeks in Borden .... so I can't tell you exactly what the exact timeframe can be.

You can also use the search function on this site , I know this question was asked quite often and a lot of the answers are already up on this forum !

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 13:37:26 »
Hello
Im sorry to bother but i would like to know if you can give us some advise....
My husband is going as sonar op after his bmq. He graduates 26 August 2016 and after that he should be going to Esquimalt. We have to kids (2 and 1 years old) and I'm really stress of our future like a family. I know that he will be 5 weeks training fleet school and after that 25 weeks sonar op. He is from Quebec , he is good in English but maybe he will taking some second language class...... How long till we will be allow to move over there??? We really have to wait till his training is over??? If we don't count the time that he will be on PAt, we are talking about almost a year apart. Any possibilities that we can move sooner???
Thanks for ur answers....

Due to a recent change in CAF relocations policies earlier this year (Feb/Mar 16) and as they apply to applicants recently enrolled (ie; BTL not occupation qualified), a relocation at "public expense" will most likely not be approved until your spouse completes their training and are posted for first time employment.

If you are married or single with children and are contemplating a career with the CAF, do not expect to be relocated with your family until after completion of both Basic and initial occupation training, which can range anywhere from 6-18 months depending on the occupation.
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2016, 14:17:13 »
Due to a recent change in CAF relocations policies earlier this year (Feb/Mar 16) and as they apply to applicants recently enrolled (ie; BTL not occupation qualified), a relocation at "public expense" will most likely not be approved until your spouse completes their training and are posted for first time employment.

If you are married or single with children and are contemplating a career with the CAF, do not expect to be relocated with your family until after completion of both Basic and initial occupation training, which can range anywhere from 6-18 months depending on the occupation.

Any chance I can get a copy of this policy change?

I have a couple of pilots working for me who will be going to Moose Jaw soon. The way pilot training is, with long delays between courses, they might be there for well over a year, if not 2 or 3. One of them is married with two kids, are they suppose to just wait here while he sits on a runway with a flare gun waiting for course?
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 15:12:28 »
Welcome to Military life. This is very common. From the time my spouse went to BMQ until the time he was done all of his initial training and received a posting was 14 months. Unfortunately it doesn't end there! Along with courses, exercises and deployments - you will find yourself alone pretty often. The best thing you can do is be independent and supportive for him because you are at least at home and with your children. He is away from you, your home, and your children. Wish you both all the best in this new adventure!

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2016, 15:18:51 »
For some reason I hope that Borden will let me have my common-law wife with me , but I HIGHLY doubt it .... guess I'll live in shacks and stay there. 

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 16:55:29 »
Krimynal: Your wife can join you in Borden (at your own expense of course). You and her could have your own place (off base) but you would still technically have a room in the shacks too because you would have to be included with inspections and everything that goes on during your course.

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2016, 17:03:32 »
That may, or may not, be the case for people proceeding on trg that will last over 364 days (the max length for TD or AP).  I'd like to see the policy change to be sure of the current state for CFSATE students, but prior to this change, some (for sure) were being approved for moves and PMQs.
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2016, 17:09:36 »
Well I'll apply on the 24Th and I will see what the CoC over there tells me ,

Right now it's all guess and hopes.  I'll see , if I have to live off base than so be it .... but I'll still ask if it's possible to get a PMQ ( would be way easier that way )
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2016, 09:56:28 »
Krimynal: Your wife can join you in Borden (at your own expense of course). You and her could have your own place (off base) but you would still technically have a room in the shacks too because you would have to be included with inspections and everything that goes on during your course.

You do understand the RISKS associated with doing such a thing I hope?

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-benefits-relocation/2014-directive-amend-ch11.page#art-11-01-02

***Example - You enrol from CFRC Calgary and upon completion of Basic Trg are posted to Borden for initial occupation trg.  You elect to move your family at your own expense from Calgary to Borden.  You complete your occupation training and are then posted to Edmonton for first time employment.  The funding for the relocation of your (D)HG&E would be calculated based on a move from Calgary to Edmonton and NOT Borden to Edmonton.  As a result, you could find yourself "out of pocket" for some relocation expenses.
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2016, 09:59:17 »
so DAA what you mean to tell me is that I should apply for a PMQ and move with the air-force regulation , otherwise wait for the posting in about 1-2 years  because I might get out of money quite fast if I move on my own terms ?
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2016, 11:14:16 »
When you get to CFSATE, request your posting restriction to be removed, so you can have your CLS (Common Law Spouse), D HG & E moved at public expense.  If that gets approved, then you can talk to CFHA about the PMQ option.

IF your request is approved, then you would have been moved 'by the CAF' to Borden and would be able to move from Borden to your first unit upon completion of trg 'by the CAF' again. 

make sense?
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2016, 11:34:08 »
Wow :(
Not good news!!
I was hoping that we qill be able to move with him. Will be really hard for the kids and of course me but i will be a big girl. So i should start saving money for plane tickets hein??? :(
I will telle him to apoly for a PMQ arriving at Esquimalt and lets hope for the best.
Its kind of weird that having just to navy bases he wont be knowing  sooner where he will be posting at 😕😕😕😕😕

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2016, 11:40:08 »
Welcome to Military life. This is very common. From the time my spouse went to BMQ until the time he was done all of his initial training and received a posting was 14 months. Unfortunately it doesn't end there! Along with courses, exercises and deployments - you will find yourself alone pretty often. The best thing you can do is be independent and supportive for him because you are at least at home and with your children. He is away from you, your home, and your children. Wish you both all the best in this new adventure!
Im really independent already but im thinking more about the kids. My husband is afraid that they will forget about him and that make me sad. They are small kids 2 and 1 so its hard. But will be ok. Thanks for ur anwers!!!! :)

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2016, 12:16:39 »
so DAA what you mean to tell me is that I should apply for a PMQ and move with the air-force regulation , otherwise wait for the posting in about 1-2 years  because I might get out of money quite fast if I move on my own terms ?

You can absolutely give it a try and ask for a PMQ but the last I heard was that they would no longer entertain these type of requests.  Regulations are regulations and for the most part, they apply universally across all of the CAF.  You could relocate your family at your own expense but you need to be made aware of the "risks" associated with doing something like this.

When you get to CFSATE, request your posting restriction to be removed, so you can have your CLS (Common Law Spouse), D HG & E moved at public expense.  If that gets approved, then you can talk to CFHA about the PMQ option.

IF your request is approved, then you would have been moved 'by the CAF' to Borden and would be able to move from Borden to your first unit upon completion of trg 'by the CAF' again. 

What Eye in The Sky has mentioned above, are the exact procedures that were in effect and your more than welcome to try and do this once you arrive in Borden.  It never hurts to ask!
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2016, 09:32:05 »
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2016, 10:58:31 »
Hello me again
Finally he will be graduating this week 25 August ( yayyyyyy im really proud) He is from Quebec so he specks french and he is so so in English. At first he was told that, after graduation, he has to go to Esquimalt (sonar op) for his second language courses, marine and his ql3 but now he will be doing his second language in st jean (I'm happy for that)
So my question is:
He has to stay in the base all the time?
We live a 30 min away, can he come home to sleep?
Are we allow to ask for a Pmq? I know that all this answer will soon come but I'm i like to be a bit ahead of things. I need to get organized  in advance (small children and i have full time job)
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2016, 11:19:56 »
Hello me again
Finally he will be graduating this week 25 August ( yayyyyyy im really proud) He is from Quebec so he specks french and he is so so in English. At first he was told that, after graduation, he has to go to Esquimalt (sonar op) for his second language courses, marine and his ql3 but now he will be doing his second language in st jean (I'm happy for that)
So my question is:
He has to stay in the base all the time?
We live a 30 min away, can he come home to sleep?
Are we allow to ask for a Pmq? I know that all this answer will soon come but I'm i like to be a bit ahead of things. I need to get organized  in advance (small children and i have full time job)
Thank you

I cannot say if they will let him make his "official" residence at your home, or if he must continue to use the Mega as his "official" residence; however,

Second Language Training (SLT) is not like BMQ. On SLT, they treat you like an adult. He's free to come and go from the base as he pleases. They will tell you that class starts at 0800 in this classroom, and it goes until 1600. So as long he shows up on time, in proper dress, clean shaven with a haircut, you're fine. So at 1600, if he wants to leave the base to drive home and spend the night at home, that's fine, as long as he 1. he gets up and shows up to work on time, and 2. the room that he has at the Mega stays clean and in good order.
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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2016, 14:20:40 »
Ahhh wow
Im really happy to hear that. Thanks a lot!!!

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Re: Wife questions
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2016, 20:08:39 »
This would probably be a discussion he should have with his instructor(s) as well so that they are in the loop as to where he will be residing.

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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2016, 09:51:04 »
Hi
My husband just graduated from his bmq the 25 August, he is staying here in Quebec for his second language training. They gave him a room till August 2017, after that he should be leaving to Esquimalt to continue his training (sonar op)
We are from Quebec so we are living in rent a house close to my work and the kindergarden. My husband is allow to sleep at home everynight and the mornings he drives 35 min to go to st jean. All is good and we are happy to have him longer with us.
My question is: Are we allow to ask for a pmq? I called to ask and I explained all this to the lady, she asked me if wu will be moving with him at esquimalt and i told her: no, we are not allow till he finish his ql3. Then she told me YES, we are allow to ask for a pmq, she sent a email with the aplication form yo my husband.
 My husband asked at st jean and looks like he is not allow.
Anybody can help me with this?

Thank you :)

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Anira_09's Thread - New Service Wife with Husband Away on Course
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2017, 21:24:52 »
Hello

So after doing his BMQ and his second language training at St-jean, my husband, will continue his way to becoming a Sonar Op.
He  will be driving till Esquimalt from Montreal,  so i will love to know if anybody could give him some road tips, some experiences advise, etc.

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Re: Driving from Montreal to Esquimalt
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2017, 22:22:36 »
He  will be driving till Esquimalt from Montreal,  so i will love to know if anybody could give him some road tips, some experiences advise, etc.

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Re: Driving from Montreal to Esquimalt
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2017, 21:33:05 »
Yes, I already check that. I was hoping for some tips on the road. Hotels recommend, places to stop, etc. Thanks anyways :)


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Re: Driving from Montreal to Esquimalt
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2017, 22:02:11 »
Yes, I already check that. I was hoping for some tips on the road. Hotels recommend, places to stop, etc. Thanks anyways :)


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Take the northern trans Canada route from Montreal (A15, I believe).  It's the quickest way across country.  Stop in Cochrane.  Expect a 9 - 11 hour day.  The next day, drive to Thunder Bay, and stop there.  Try to get to the area around Nipigon in the daylight - beautiful.  Expect a 7 - 9 hour day.  Youl could also do this all in one stretch, while switching drivers.  I drove 24 hours straight from Ottawa to Winnipeg going mostly the same route.  The road is generally in good condition and has ample passing lanes.  The exception is from Thunder Bay to Kenora.  I found the westward trip there to be frustrating, as there weren't quite enough passing lanes for the traffic.

Note: if you instead choose to go through Ottawa and Saulte Ste Marie on Kings Highway 17, you do not want to be driving at night.  There are more moose than people, and they all hang out on the highway.  Fog is also common. 

You can also go to Saulte Ste Marie and cross into the US and go from there to hit I90.  I'd personally recommend the drive through Canada, as it's only 22kms more and doesn't involve the hastle of border crossings. 

Alternatively, you can go the entire way on the 401 and interstate system.  It is longer, but has a shorter total time by 2 - 3 hours.  I think the drive through Canada is fine, and not worth the effort of crossing the border just for a drive.

Spend the next day driving to Regina.  It's a 12 - 14 hour day.  From East of Winnipeg on, the drive is flat and very uneventful.  From just past the Manitoba border on, the road is 4 lanes and in good condition.  You can avoid Winnipeg to the North or South (south is shorter) but you will still encounter multiple traffic lights in Manitoba. 

The next day, plan to drive the 10 - 12 hours to Golden BC.  The road is 4 lanes all the way to the Alberta BC border.  It has also been twinned through much of the Kicking Horse Canyon just East of Golden.  It's a very beautiful area.  You can avoid Calgary to the north on the new freeway if you want.

From Golden, plan to drive to Vancouver.  It's not a bad drive.  From Kamloops on you're on a freeway, and there are multiple sections that have been upgraded to 4 lanes between Golden and Kamloops.  There are also ample passing lanes.  The rest I have no idea about, as I've never done the crossing or been to Vancouver Island.  All in all from Montreal to Vancouver you're looking about about 48 hours of driving.
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