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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #550 on: April 10, 2018, 19:42:47 »
Which l said to be fair, he was dressed correctly for his last assignment.  But again l ask, don't officers at this level look after each other at all, or is it every officer for himself? As l am not of that world, l don't know. 

I would like to think that were he a Chief, one of his wingers would have looked out for him.

We of the Wardroom do look out for each other or at least I try to. I've seen enough cluster***k disasters in the officer corps that I try my best to ensure people look professional when they are stepping out.



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« Reply #551 on: April 10, 2018, 19:57:47 »
We of the Wardroom do look out for each other or at least I try to. I've seen enough cluster***k disasters in the officer corps that I try my best to ensure people look professional when they are stepping out.

That is good to hear that in your world, mess mates look after each other.

As a young guy l had a taste of your world while doing phase training in Gagetown as a Reserve Artillery OCdt.  The fellows l was with were mostly RMC and were not looking after each other, the atmosphere was poisonous.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #552 on: April 10, 2018, 20:12:34 »
That is good to hear that in your world, mess mates look after each other.

As a young guy l had a taste of your world while doing phase training in Gagetown as a Reserve Artillery OCdt.  The fellows l were mostly RMC and were not looking after each other, the atmosphere was poisonous.

The ring knockers are a different breed for sure!  ;D

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #553 on: April 11, 2018, 11:08:00 »
The ring knockers are a different breed for sure!  ;D

We may take Sunday's toast a bit too literally...
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #554 on: April 12, 2018, 09:19:23 »
That is good to hear that in your world, mess mates look after each other.

As a young guy l had a taste of your world while doing phase training in Gagetown as a Reserve Artillery OCdt.  The fellows l was with were mostly RMC and were not looking after each other, the atmosphere was poisonous.

The lucky Cbt Arms RESO OCdts managed to go to Gagetown outside of the summer course schedule so they could work with the DEO mob. The rest of us suffered through the extra character building experience ;)
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #555 on: April 12, 2018, 09:47:33 »
That is good to hear that in your world, mess mates look after each other.

As a young guy l had a taste of your world while doing phase training in Gagetown as a Reserve Artillery OCdt.  The fellows l was with were mostly RMC and were not looking after each other, the atmosphere was poisonous.

That is weird. I was once an OCTP Artillery Officer who did the summer phase 2 course with the RMC crowd. My experience could not have been more different- we were all united in our hatred of the course staff!

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #556 on: April 12, 2018, 09:53:11 »
That is good to hear that in your world, mess mates look after each other.

I can only imagine that it must be different for GOFOs. 

I have detected an increasing trend of infantilizing our senior people.  I have seen up close how demanding their schedules can be, compounded by the sheer scope and scale of the issues we expect them to contend with (mostly because we do not delegate low enough, and believe that every issue must be touched by every GO).  As such, there is certainly value to providing the necessary support to manage all of that, but it sometimes appears that we have gone a step too far, and essentially made them increasingly reliant on the support network...and when that goes away, the adjustment must be difficult

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #557 on: April 12, 2018, 10:27:20 »
Also no name tag.

No longer needs one.  Everybody in the whole country knows his name!
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #558 on: April 12, 2018, 10:46:20 »
Actually, he is wearing a number 1A: No name tags unless specified by the commander.

As for the metal vs. cloth SSI: How would  he have known to change and got a proper one? He has been told to stay home, even though still in the service, for the last year and a half.

And really, except for a few obtuse ones of us, how many Canadians would know any of the difference? Or care?

They see him in full uniform with medals - that's what counts to them: He is making the statement "I am a top defence "soldier" of Canada, you try to impeach my honour at your own risk when it comes to putting Canada first".

The regulation concerning not wearing nametags with N1 orders of dress was rescinded a long, long, long time ago.  Nametags are now required with all orders of dress, except ceremonial orders (which the Navy does not have) and Mess Dress.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #559 on: April 12, 2018, 10:51:43 »
No longer needs one.  Everybody in the whole country knows his name!

 :rofl: Very true.  You win this one kind sir! lol
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« Reply #560 on: April 12, 2018, 11:33:00 »
At a sub section meeting we were told the following, which came from the top.  For all uniformed personnel, we are not to comment on this subject in social media.  Civilians within the department are encouraged to refrain from commenting as well. 

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #561 on: April 12, 2018, 11:45:09 »
At a sub section meeting we were told the following, which came from the top.  For all uniformed personnel, we are not to comment on this subject in social media.  Civilians within the department are encouraged to refrain from commenting as well.

I'm surprised it took this long for that directive to be made. Maybe a NAVGEN is in order?

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #562 on: April 12, 2018, 13:08:22 »
maybe he chose to go with the cloth as it stands out more.....
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #563 on: April 15, 2018, 11:28:26 »
At a sub section meeting we were told the following, which came from the top.  For all uniformed personnel, we are not to comment on this subject in social media.  Civilians within the department are encouraged to refrain from commenting as well.

I'm sorry, but are they suggesting you could comment if, for example, you were dressed like Yoassarian at his medal ceremony?
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #564 on: April 15, 2018, 12:06:04 »
I'm sorry, but are they suggesting you could comment if, for example, you were dressed like Yoassarian at his medal ceremony?

 :rofl:  That might be a nice Catch 22.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #565 on: April 15, 2018, 12:57:42 »
I'm surprised it took this long for that directive to be made. Maybe a NAVGEN is in order?
Be an interesting message. "Support and trust your chain of command, but don't do it for this guy."

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #566 on: April 15, 2018, 15:33:54 »
Be an interesting message. "Support and trust your chain of command, but don't do it for this guy."
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« Reply #567 on: May 15, 2018, 06:51:31 »
He is heading back to court and a legal defence fund has raised money on his behalf.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-court-costs-1.4662223

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #568 on: May 15, 2018, 08:16:44 »
He is heading back to court and a legal defence fund has raised money on his behalf.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-court-costs-1.4662223

Against my better judgement I went to the comment section.  :facepalm:

I think that this is all on Scott Brison (MP for Kings-Hants NS). Project Resolve embarrassed him in front of his Irving benefactors.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #569 on: May 15, 2018, 09:51:51 »
Against my better judgement I went to the comment section.  :facepalm:

I think that this is all on Scott Brison (MP for Kings-Hants NS). Project Resolve embarrassed him in front of his Irving benefactors.

Ask yourself who holds the riding where Davie is located versus where Irving is located. I think the answer speaks for itself.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #570 on: May 15, 2018, 09:55:11 »
One remark in the comments caught my eye:
"Henein will chew these fools up if they are stupid enough to allow it to go to trial."

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #571 on: May 15, 2018, 10:33:54 »
Against my better judgement I went to the comment section.  :facepalm:


You weren't kidding...


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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #572 on: May 15, 2018, 11:01:08 »
Ask yourself who holds the riding where Davie is located versus where Irving is located. I think the answer speaks for itself.

That's what boils my butt about all of this. Its never ever about capability, its always about pork barrel politics.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #573 on: May 15, 2018, 13:16:33 »
It's also about Irving's perspective that they're the only company that can, and should build ships in Canada.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #574 on: May 15, 2018, 16:11:10 »
It's also about Irving's perspective that they're the only company that can, and should build ships in Canada.

An argument I could buy if and only if Irving itself stopped building and buying ships for their own fleet abroad - which is not the case: For themselves, they go for cheaper overseas builds. If you own a shipyard and don't even bother building your own ships, why should the taxpayer build at your place?

The fact is Irving never bought the Halifax shipyard with the expectation that it would be building ships after completion of the MCDV's. They bought it to have a refit yard for their own ships - no more. The small contract they got for the Coast Guard's mid-shore patrol vessels - built under the old yard's set up - was not exactly a glowing success.

And now they lucked out and have stumbled into the biggest shipbuilding contract in Canadian history, likely only because at the time, Davie was out of contention (just coming out of bankruptcy protection and as a result, applying at the last minute only for the "non-combatants" program).