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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2018, 10:02:42 »
I would imagine that this is a Major General slot.Bon chance !!

Patch of the training mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Training_Mission_–_Iraq#/media/File:Seal_of_NATO_Training_Mission_%E2%80%93_Iraq.png

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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2018, 17:29:30 »
I would imagine that this is a Major General slot.Bon chance !!

Patch of the training mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Training_Mission_–_Iraq#/media/File:Seal_of_NATO_Training_Mission_%E2%80%93_Iraq.png


Well, we certainly have no shortage of major generals ... ships are in short supply, we're pretty much out of soldiers, and our few remaining aircraft are antiques, but we sure do have enough generals.  :nod:
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2018, 19:44:12 »

Well, we certainly have no shortage of major generals ... ships are in short supply, we're pretty much out of soldiers, and our few remaining aircraft are antiques, but we sure do have enough generals.  :nod:

The CJSOR from NATO requires a MGen.  Hate the game, not the players.
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2018, 20:12:45 »
I would imagine that this is a Major General slot.Bon chance !!

Patch of the training mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Training_Mission_–_Iraq#/media/File:Seal_of_NATO_Training_Mission_%E2%80%93_Iraq.png

IMHO, we should be doing more of these kinds of missions and less of the 'Mali Forlorn Hope' type Ops.  :nod:
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 20:39:12 »
IMHO, we should be doing more of these kinds of missions and less of the 'Mali Forlorn Hope' type Ops.  :nod:

Agreed. Great move by the PM and CDS if this is their doing.

This will be good for;
Recruiting, retention, our own professional development and troops & leaders morale, to name a few.

I wonder how many people out of that 250 number will be "pointy end" types. 
« Last Edit: July 15, 2018, 20:52:03 by Jarnhamar »
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 21:22:01 »
I wonder how many people out of that 250 number will be "pointy end" types.

I imagine that there is an FP Coy....
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2018, 22:37:53 »
PPCLI Guy: Note italicized:

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Canada will assume command of a new NATO training and capacity building mission in Iraq for its first year. The mission is the natural next step for Canada, as we move forward from the successful fight against Daesh to helping build institutional capacity in Iraq and create the foundations for longer-term peace and stability.

Specifically, this will include the following deployment of up to 250 Canadian Armed Forces personnel and assets from Fall 2018 to Fall 2019, including:

    A Major-General: A major-general will serve as commander for the NATO mission in Iraq;
    Force Protection: Up to 125 personnel and supporting armoured vehicles for transportation, mobile force protection, and on-site security at NATO Headquarters in Baghdad [empasis added];
    Headquarters Staff: Approximately 20 personnel in Baghdad to support NATO operation;
    Advisors and Trainers: Approximately 50 personnel to provide additional capacity to the Iraqi Army Schools and Training Centres in the vicinity of Baghdad; and,
    Rotary-wing Aircraft: Authorize up to four Griffon helicopters and supporting personal for NATO activities.
https://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2018/07/11/canadas-leadership-iraq

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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 22:49:17 »
Working in a joint HQ will help career wise.It didn't hurt General Hilier any if I recollect.

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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 22:59:40 »
Agreed. Great move by the PM and CDS if this is their doing.

This will be good for;
Recruiting, retention, our own professional development and troops & leaders morale, to name a few.

I wonder how many people out of that 250 number will be "pointy end" types.

Nice try... I'm sure there will be a very important RSS job in Thunder Bay, or something like that, in your future instead ;)
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2018, 09:46:37 »
One can certainly hope!  ;D

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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2018, 11:04:58 »
PPCLI Guy: Note italicized:

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I assume the Logistics folks are part of the Headquarters Staff ? 
 
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2018, 11:18:31 »
I was deployed to this particular AO for approximately ten months, back in 2016-2017.

The threat profile changed dramatically during that time period; in June 2016, ISIL was less than 50km from Baghdad, Fallujah was still raging, protests threatened to topple the government and repeated SVBIEDs in the capital (mostly Shi'ite areas) were a daily occurrence. By the time I left the following spring in 2017, the Euphrates River Valley was largely clear, Mosul was half-done and threats from separate actors, including drones, were a concern. I'd be interested to see what, if anything, has changed in the area, but ISIL would be largely seen as a minor point.

This is only supposition and conjecture, but if you want a view of what we would LIKELY be doing, review TF CARABINIERI at Camp Dublin, or the CJTF-OIR Building Partner Capacity site information, available in public forums.

Headquarter personnel would be operating, as with any higher formation, from all trades and be occupying all manner of staff jobs; it will be interesting, from a Canadian perspective, to observe how NATO relationships occur within the spectrum of CJTF-OIR, JTF-I (Canadian) and Iraqi Security Forces. It may be...complex.
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2018, 17:16:44 »
Where does one look to see which mission/area is getting what for hardship and risk allowance?
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Re: Canada to Lead Mission in Iraq
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2018, 19:29:38 »
Where does one look to see which mission/area is getting what for hardship and risk allowance?

CJOC DWAN page, I believe has a spreadsheet for all the rates.
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