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Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« on: September 11, 2019, 01:42:23 »
Chick filet moves north of the border and is targeted by protestors. This issue isnt going away as 15 restraunts are gonna be built in Toronto. They have an excellant product and strong family values [ they are closed on Sundays]. 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019/september/lgbt-activists-protest-christian-chicken-as-toronto-welcomes-chick-fil-a

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Re: Chick filet Derangement Syndrom
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2019, 05:51:38 »
I never got the hype about Chick Filet.  When I finally went to one in the US, it was just another fast food joint with greasy chicken and fries.  Too be honest, the McDonalds chicken burgers are better.

As for Sundays, I'd just call that a poor business model, as you're giving a day to the competitor!
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 07:42:53 »
They have an excellant product and strong family values [ they are closed on Sundays]. 

Recognizing the validity of all types of different families seems to me to be a stronger indication of "family values" (whatever that really means) than not being open one day of the week.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 08:25:10 »
I really miss Chik Fil A.  From marketing to their chicken to their waffle fries.  And the Chik Fil A sauce!

Their chicken soup is amazing.
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 08:27:29 »
They have an excellant product and strong family values [ they are closed on Sundays].
The ONLY U.S. fast food chain with greasier, more disgusting food is Popeyes.

Google "Chick-fil-a sex assault" for a long string of stories about their 'strong family values.'

Personally, I won't go into another Chick-fil-a again... ever... not because of some owners' homophobia, but simply because their food is absolute garbage.


ps - not sure why this is posted in Canadian Politics, rather than under mindless Radio Chatter.... since there's no political content here, merely protesters expressing their views (which I also disagree with).
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 08:38:09 »
ps - not sure why this is posted in Canadian Politics, rather than under mindless Radio Chatter.... since there's no political content here, merely protesters expressing their views (which I also disagree with).

OK. Moving to Radio Chatter.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 09:13:37 »
OK. Moving to Radio Chatter.
Well that was easy.  Can you also remove any content that disagrees with my personal opinions?   ;D
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2019, 09:28:24 »
Can you also remove any content that disagrees with my personal opinions?   ;D
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2019, 09:35:18 »
Chick filet moves north of the border and is targeted by protestors. This issue isnt going away as 15 restraunts are gonna be built in Toronto. They have an excellant product and strong family values [ they are closed on Sundays]. 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019/september/lgbt-activists-protest-christian-chicken-as-toronto-welcomes-chick-fil-a

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The reason they are closed on Sundays is not because of family values but because of the founder’s religious convictions.  I personally witnessed the most outrageous behaviour of any store employees when a family of black people was told their type was not welcome in the restaurant.  Since then, I have never stepped foot in a Chick-Fil-A again.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2019, 11:01:33 »
Whats wrong with a Christian company ? Are ye godless heathens up there ? ;D

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2019, 11:34:48 »
Whats wrong with a Christian company ? Are ye godless heathens up there ? ;D

It used to be pretty strict. In my neighbourhood, with the exception of the Legion, they didn't serve beer until 2001.

Used to go for spaghetti dinner. No wine. No beer. Had to settle for a Coke.  :)

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2019, 11:41:24 »
. . . Are ye godless heathens up there ? ;D

No.  we just have more discerning palates.  We believe that chicken should be properly hand breaded, richly anointed with herbs and spices, and deep fried to a rich golden brown - as God (and Mary Brown) intended.
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2019, 11:48:33 »
The food is good and the stores are busy.Its a popular place to work. The stores in my area are so busy its hard to get in. With 15 stores planned that will provide jobs for several hundred job seekers. The company will be paying taxes right ?

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2019, 13:23:49 »
T6 - My own views on this differ slightly from the above ones. I spend a fair bit of time down south and quite frankly I like Chick-fil-A's chicken quite a bit and eat it often. I don't have a problem with them closing their stores on Sundays because that's a business decision that hurts them and not me. I do have concerns about their employees who don't need or want a day of rest or prayer but who do need the extra shifts to just get by. I'm not even all that concerned about their beliefs that marriage should just be between a man and a woman because the last time I looked one is free to believe what one wants (even up here). The fact that there has been the odd incident of disrespect at a store here or there isn't a big concern either as pretty much every group has the odd dimbulb who does something that isn't within company policy.

My concern starts with the owners acting on their one man/one woman beliefs in financially supporting agencies who go further than mere belief and who either actually discriminate or who advocate that such discrimination should be allowed by the state. Notwithstanding the clear constitutional requirement of separation between church and state, many state and federal legislatures and courts, are sneaking religion--by which I mean Christianity--into the law. The worst example of this is the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" and the resultant Hobby Lobby decision which infamously extended the ability to claim exemptions for religious beliefs to for-profit corporations.

I frankly believe that any individual should be allowed to hold whatever religious beliefs they want to so long as they do not act out in a way that infringes anyone else's human rights. Believe in one man/one woman if you want to but don't you dare to refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple if your business is to bake cakes for the public. Either treat all people equally and fairly or get out of the business.

The problem isn't simply Chick-fil-A's owners advocating for restrictions on same sex couples, but that you currently have a large segment of your population feeling it's oats and taking restrictive stands based on obscure texts written by some sheep herders three thousand years ago in the Middle East and using them as justification to hurt perfectly fine people right here and right now. Even worse, their skewed beliefs are finding their way into ever more receptive and conservative legislatures who have long ago given up any pretense at the principle of separation of church and state. On top of that you are well on your way to developing a stacked judiciary who will less and less rein in the "peoples" worst, religious based excesses.

My hypocrisy is that despite all this, I still like and eat the damn chicken.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2019, 14:00:10 »
Well that was easy.  Can you also remove any content that disagrees with my personal opinions?   ;D

Then this while site would be empty...  :)
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2019, 15:03:42 »
How do these people get time off work to protest a chicken fast food place? Think they're taking vacation days?

Do they protest on Sunday even though the restraunt is closed?
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2019, 15:22:42 »
No.  we just have more discerning palates.  We believe that chicken should be properly hand breaded, richly anointed with herbs and spices, and deep fried to a rich golden brown - as God (and Mary Brown) intended.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2019, 15:58:43 »
Regarding what the owners fund, it's their money.  Those who don't want to work or shop there need not do so.  Those for whom that is not enough are free to whine and demonstrate.

The 4th amendment is narrow:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

There is no established federal religion; I'm almost certain there are no established state religions (maybe there is an obscure law on the books somewhere that amounts to one?) for Congress to try to disestablish.  Other than that, Congress is restrained from prohibiting the free exercise of religion, but not from accommodating it.  I'd expect to see more accommodation (public monuments, open expression, etc) rather than less, of all religions that care to assert a public presence.

It sure is easy to become oppressive while claiming to fight oppression.

Push too hard against peoples' freedoms to express their cultural quiffs - particularly among enclaves of themselves - and they will push back (as we have seen).  On this point, I don't mean to argue that it is right or required to yield, only that it is practical.  It was stupid to drive evangelicals into Trump's camp, but Democrats were - and still are - determined to leave no refuge for religion anywhere in public life.
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2019, 16:03:23 »
How do these people get time off work to protest a chicken fast food place? Think they're taking vacation days?

Do they protest on Sunday even though the restraunt is closed?

They probably budget their time for what they think is important, in likely much the same way as people who spend a lot of time on this forum.  ::)
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2019, 16:10:09 »
They probably budget their time for what they think is important, in likely much the same way as people who spend a lot of time on this forum.  ::)

So little time and so little to do.   :)

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2019, 16:27:33 »
Regarding what the owners fund, it's their money.  Those who don't want to work or shop there need not do so.  Those for whom that is not enough are free to whine and demonstrate.

The 4th amendment is narrow:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

There is no established federal religion; I'm almost certain there are no established state religions (maybe there is an obscure law on the books somewhere that amounts to one?) for Congress to try to disestablish.  Other than that, Congress is restrained from prohibiting the free exercise of religion, but not from accommodating it.  I'd expect to see more accommodation (public monuments, open expression, etc) rather than less, of all religions that care to assert a public presence.

It sure is easy to become oppressive while claiming to fight oppression.

Push too hard against peoples' freedoms to express their cultural quiffs - particularly among enclaves of themselves - and they will push back (as we have seen).  On this point, I don't mean to argue that it is right or required to yield, only that it is practical.  It was stupid to drive evangelicals into Trump's camp, but Democrats were - and still are - determined to leave no refuge for religion anywhere in public life.

So? Equal time for Sharia law in the US? What about Mormon polygamy? I don't think so.

How about this one from the Texas Constitution:

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Sec. 4.  RELIGIOUS TESTS.  No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2019, 16:40:32 »
They probably budget their time for what they think is important, in likely much the same way as people who spend a lot of time on this forum.  ::)
Zackly - just like all those yellow vest convoy participants not too long ago.  I don't recall many people asking about their leave or job status during the protest.
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2019, 18:19:29 »
>Equal time for Sharia law in the US? What about Mormon polygamy?

If by sharia law you mean more than just a mechanism for resolving civil disputes (similar to the issue that came up in Ontario a while back), I suppose it would conflict too much with constitutional law and very little would remain after scrubbing it down.

Regarding the latter, polymarriage should have the same status as SSM or any other marriage.  SSM proponents made the case on freedom to love whom one pleases and on expression of sexuality; that should apply equally to all subject only to the hard stops on things like age of consent.

>provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

Some might choose to interpret that as "establishment of religion", even if it is not establishment of a particular religion.  Texas is still just a state, though, not the federal Congress.
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Re: Chick-fil-A Derangement Syndrome
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>Equal time for Sharia law in the US? What about Mormon polygamy?

If by sharia law you mean more than just a mechanism for resolving civil disputes (similar to the issue that came up in Ontario a while back), I suppose it would conflict too much with constitutional law and very little would remain after scrubbing it down.

The trouble with religious beliefs is that there are so many interpretations that they have few boundaries. There is no constitutional law in the US that impacts on criminal law as criminal law is a state matter except in very narrow limited federal areas. There is really nothing which would stop a sudden mass migration of Muslims to, lets say Wyoming, where they could make Sharia law legal. I'm not saying this as part of an anti-Muslim campaign but merely as an example of how dangerous a legal system can be that allows a majority's religious concepts free rein over and above fundamental human rights of minorities.

Regarding the latter, polymarriage should have the same status as SSM or any other marriage.  SSM proponents made the case on freedom to love whom one pleases and on expression of sexuality; that should apply equally to all subject only to the hard stops on things like age of consent.

I tend to agree. My biggest complaint about polygamous sects is that they frequently are the result of indoctrinating children into a system of life that accepts and permits old males attaining positions of dominance over child brides. If we were talking about polyamorous relationships between free-ranging adults, rather than brain-washed children, I would have absolutely no problem with it.

>provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

Some might choose to interpret that as "establishment of religion", even if it is not establishment of a particular religion.  Texas is still just a state, though, not the federal Congress.

Give it time, Brad. Give it time.  This movement is still young. It really only started after Jimmy Carter proved more liberal than his Christian supporters wanted at which time folks in the New Christian Right movement started to become heavily influential at all levels of state and federal politics. In effect Christian conservatives turn out in elections in far larger numbers than their liberal counterparts and as such have a disproportionate impact on ensuring that candidates that espouse their particular beliefs come into power. See here: for an overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

What should concern people who believe in true freedom is the fact that while much of their targeting goes towards their ilk of politician, there is a second agenda which is to loosen government funding of private, homes schooled religious education whose primary purpose is to indoctrinate children from earliest childhood on. Betsy DeVos, the current Secretary of Education, is a very strong advocate for charter schools, school voucher programs and and school choice programs all of which are designed to move children out of the mostly secular public school programs and into highly structured religious schools.

If you've ever studied propaganda programs you'll see that:

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Of all the potential targets for propaganda, children are the most vulnerable because they are the least prepared with the critical reasoning and contextual comprehension they need to determine whether a message is propaganda or not. The attention children give their environment during development, due to the process of developing their understanding of the world, causes them to absorb propaganda indiscriminately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

Make no mistake. What is going on in the States is a massive propaganda program/political movement which is growing. This in large part is why the free press is described as the "enemy". Chick-fil-A is but a small cog in what is a very large and growing machine.

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