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[The Bread Guy]

Israel has offered ceasefire and hostage proposal to Hamas, says Biden

The first phase of the deal would be a six-week ceasefire, the second the return of remaining hostages from Gaza, and the third, and final stage, a reconstruction plan for Gaza, Joe Biden announced on Friday.

news.sky.com

More from the horse's mouth ....

Background Press Call on President Biden's Remarks on the Middle East | The White House

Via Teleconference 2:35 P.M. EDT MODERATOR: Good afternoon, everyone. And thanks so much for joining today’s call. Apologies we’re a few minutes late. As you saw from the invite, this call is on background, attributable to a senior administration official. And it is embargoed until the...

www.whitehouse.gov

... as well as Team Red Ottawa's response ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796722162931310894

... and a bit more from The Canadian Press & AP

Trudeau endorses proposal outlined by Biden to wind down Israel-Hamas war

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is endorsing a proposal put forward by U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday that seeks to bring about the end of the Israel-Hamas war.

www.cp24.com

Biden details a 3-phase hostage deal aimed at winding down the Israel-Hamas war

President Joe Biden has detailed a three-phase deal proposed by Israel to Hamas militants that he says would lead to the end of the Mideast war.

apnews.com

 

[abduly85]

More from the horse's mouth ....

Background Press Call on President Biden's Remarks on the Middle East | The White House

Via Teleconference 2:35 P.M. EDT MODERATOR: Good afternoon, everyone. And thanks so much for joining today’s call. Apologies we’re a few minutes late. As you saw from the invite, this call is on background, attributable to a senior administration official. And it is embargoed until the...

www.whitehouse.gov

... as well as Team Red Ottawa's response ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796722162931310894

... and a bit more from The Canadian Press & AP

Trudeau endorses proposal outlined by Biden to wind down Israel-Hamas war

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is endorsing a proposal put forward by U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday that seeks to bring about the end of the Israel-Hamas war.

www.cp24.com

Biden details a 3-phase hostage deal aimed at winding down the Israel-Hamas war

President Joe Biden has detailed a three-phase deal proposed by Israel to Hamas militants that he says would lead to the end of the Mideast war.

apnews.com

Apparently, this deal is nearly identical to what Hamas has accepted a few weeks ago and Israel rejected!

 

[Good2Golf]

Apparently, this deal is nearly identical to what Hamas has accepted a few weeks ago and Israel rejected!

Not as good as the 2005 ceasefire that Hamas destroyed on Oct 7…

 

[Jarnhamar]

Apparently, this deal is nearly identical to what Hamas has accepted a few weeks ago and Israel rejected!

Did you actually read that deal? It was stupidly convoluted and ambiguous. Israel might get a prisoner or might get a body. Gee I wonder how that would have ended up. Of course Israel is going to tell them to get fucked.

 

[abduly85]

Did you actually read that deal? It was stupidly convoluted and ambiguous. Israel might get a prisoner or might get a body. Gee I wonder how that would have ended up. Of course Israel is going to tell them to get fucked.

I'm actually with you on this (that Israel will most likely reject it because it calls to end the war).
I'm just pointing this out because the US and the whole world media yesterday presented it as an Israeli offer that's just pending on Hamas' acceptance when in fact Israel itself hasn't clearly endorsed it.

It feels like it was just a Biden campaign attempt to appeal to his voter base and the world to give the impression that the US doing all it can to end the war.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm actually with you on this (that Israel will most likely reject it because it calls to end the war).

And we certainly don't want that, not with Hamas still on life-support.

It feels like it was just a Biden campaign attempt to appeal to his voter base and the world to give the impression that the US doing all it can to end the war.

You would think after Palestinians attacked the US pier being built to bring aid to the Palestinians, Biden would have realized they don't want peace.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

And we certainly don't want that, not with Hamas still on life-support.


You would think after Palestinians attacked the US pier being built to bring aid to the Palestinians, Biden would have realized they don't want peace.

Biden handlers are all about what can we get out of the moment, we worry about the future later.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Mr Biden urged Hamas and prominent figures in Israel not to "lose this moment"

From the same writers that gave us this moment.

 

[Kirkhill]

If the world has got to the stage of trading corpses for peace it might as well be HAMAS corpses.

 

[KevinB]

It feels like it was just a Biden campaign attempt to appeal to his voter base and the world to give the impression that the US doing all it can to end the war.

Of course it was, do you think he gives a shit about the Palestinians? He was absolutely fine when Congress shut down his halt to the 2000lb bomb deliveries.

Privately he’s probably telling Bibi speed up with the bulldozers, I can only fake outrage for so long.

 

[KevinB]

Well Israel has announced its position

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796922354230006261

 

[KevinB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797023287475601709

 

[KevinB]

I wonder why Israel has some concerns

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797223145054589181

 

[dimsum]

I wonder why Israel has some concerns

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797223145054589181

“72 virgins” doesn’t mean female (or even human) virgins…

 

[GK .Dundas]

One translation has as "Raisins " as opposed to virgin's...
Personally I'd feel a bit cheated and I happen to like raisins.
..

 

[PuckChaser]

Folks, you'll note this thread is now in the politics area. Quite frankly we were tired of the daily reports to moderator so now the political thread discourse rules will now be applied. Hopefully this will now create some rational debate.

- Milnet.ca Staff

 

[brihard]

Folks, you'll note this thread is now in the politics area. Quite frankly we were tired of the daily reports to moderator so now the political thread discourse rules will now be applied. Hopefully this will now create some rational debate.

- Milnet.ca Staff

 

[OldSolduer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797023287475601709

Maybe the LGBTQ community should have a look at the snake they are allowing near them, or inviting the fox into the henhouse

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meanwhile, here in bits of Canada ....

Police halt pro-Palestinian encampment at Quebec's City's Université Laval

MONTREAL - Quebec City police say they have forced protesters to dismantle a pro-Palestinian encampment that was being set up on the grounds of Université Laval.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Also archived here.

University of Toronto convocations to begin as campus protest continues

TORONTO - Graduation ceremonies for University of Toronto students are set to begin today as a pro-Palestinian encampment remains on campus despite looming legal action.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

Apparently, this deal is nearly identical to what Hamas has accepted a few weeks ago and Israel rejected!

OK, then, how about this?

Some would say we see two groups of people convinced they have the right to live on the same chunk of land. Team ISR has, on several occasions, offered to give up (as well as given up) some of its land in exchange for security guarantees. ISR has also sought an unambiguous acknowledgement by Team Palestinians that ISR has a right to exist. Without that, ISR feels like any deal is just a mid-point to Team Palestine and its supporters to get rid of the state and the people of ISR. As recently as 2016, even the U.N. SecGen said this:

Most recent statement I can find says this ....

Hamas official backtracks after saying group should 'recognize Israel'

Mousa Abu Marzook says in earlier interview that Hamas would have to follow the PLO's stance on Israel's existence in order to head Palestinian Authority in the future and end internal Palestinian divide

www.ynetnews.com

Hamas official: Statements on recognising Israel 'misunderstood'

A member of Hamas’ political bureau, Mousa Abu Marzouk, said on Wednesday that his statements about recognising Israel were “misunderstood”, adding that the movement does not “recognise the legitimacy of the Zionist...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Easy question: where is Hamas saying they'll recognize ISR as part of a two-state solution? Because without that, ISR has a case to be, at the very best, leery about its existence based on how the neighbours have reacted since the U.N. said "there must be 2 states here" in 1948.