India (Superthread)

[Colin Parkinson]

It's picking fly shit out of pepper to deny Adams' involvement with the IRA.

I was being kind.......

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Great Scott, How is any of this happening under Trump?

If only he would apply his talents to Africa......

 

[dapaterson]

I was being kind.......

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[PrairieFella]

97% this is any other border scrap between these two, minimal casualties. It's that 3% chance that could make an India-Pakistan war one of the deadliest ever by sheer population size alone. Also - you think the Syrian refugee crisis was bad? What does 30 million refugees do to their surrounding areas, nevermind 3 million.

 

[OldSolduer]

Singh is part of the political wing of the Khalistan movement, he meddles in India's affairs, but is not actually a terrorist. I recall Gerry Adams trying to influence the Irish-American vote and put pressure on the UK through that.

There was an organization called "NORAID" that plyed the Bostonians and those of "Irish" descent into donating cash to the IRA or Sean Finn.

There are others on here that can correct me.

As for Jagmeet - I will agree he's not a terrorist. A lousy politician yes but not a terrorist.

 

[HavokFour]

Air India flight AI 17, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crashed minutes after leaving the ground. There are tons of videos from the crash site coming out (heavily NSFW), it doesn't look hopeful that anyone on board survived.

169 Indians
53 British
7 Portuguese
1 Canadian

Unknown currently how many people in the residential area it crashed into have been injured or killed.

EDIT: The plan crashed into a medical college, at least 30 dead reported there so far.

Air India flight bound for London with 242 aboard crashes in northwestern India

 

[brihard]

Air India flight AI 17, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crashed minutes after leaving the ground. There are tons of videos from the crash site coming out (heavily NSFW), it doesn't look hopeful that anyone on board survived.

169 Indians
53 British
7 Portuguese
1 Canadian

Unknown currently how many people in the residential area it crashed into have been injured or killed.

EDIT: The plan crashed into a medical college, at least 30 dead reported there so far.

Air India flight bound for London with 242 aboard crashes in northwestern India

I saw the video of the plane’s final seconds- looks like it stalled a few hundred feet above ground on take off, went in, and fully fireballed. Absolutely awful.

 

[HavokFour]

I saw the video of the plane’s final seconds- looks like it stalled a few hundred feet above ground on take off, went in, and fully fireballed. Absolutely awful.

Odd... it just kind of drifted into the ground...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933096348582281328

There was a noticeable lack of throttle noises and engines in general, and a whole lot of the RAT (buzzing) doing it's best to give the control surfaces power from this video that was pretty close to it's flight path. Something definitely went catastrophically wrong mechanically, double engine failure is incredibly rare if that's what occurred.

Spoiler: via X

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933089931347345596

 

[daftandbarmy]

I saw the video of the plane’s final seconds- looks like it stalled a few hundred feet above ground on take off, went in, and fully fireballed. Absolutely awful.

Odd... it just kind of drifted into the ground...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933096348582281328

Pilot chiming in... flaps at Zero!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933091986543886618

 

[brihard]

I saw commentary on Twitter by one pilot who pointed out that flaps looked like they were set at 0, rather than what you would expect to see on takeoff. A photo of wing wreckage from the crash site supports this. Someone else looked at the flight tracking map and it looked like it basically took the entire length of the runway to take off. India to London would be a lot of fuel, so it was heavy. I’m no planeologist, but that all sounds consistent with a stall on initial ascent.

 

[HavokFour]

UPDATE: Reports now that there are actually 2 survivors so far. One of which is a British national who walked away from the crash with minor injuries.

EDIT: One confirmed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933161752302412286

His seat 11A was located right next to an exit.

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Footage of the plane taking off.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933162059556159903

And here is very same plane in Frankfurt just a few days ago.

 

[OldSolduer]

UPDATE: Reports now that there are actually 2 survivors so far. One of which is a British national who walked away from the crash with minor injuries.

EDIT: One confirmed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933161752302412286

His seat 11A was located right next to an exit.

SeatGuru Seat Map Air India

For your next Air India flight, use this seating chart to get the most comfortable seats, legroom, and recline on .

www.seatguru.com

Footage of the plane taking off.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933162059556159903

And here is very same plane in Frankfurt just a few days ago.

Question from a non pilot type. I have watched a few epsiodes of MAYDAY (don't watch this if you don't like flying) and have two questions:

1. Could this be human error ie pilot/copilot?; and

2. Could the instrumentation/controls be sabotaged to make the flight crew think their flaps were at 15 degrees but were physically at 0 degrees?

 

[KevinB]

Question from a non pilot type. I have watched a few epsiodes of MAYDAY (don't watch this if you don't like flying) and have two questions:

1. Could this be human error ie pilot/copilot?; and

While not a pilot it is pretty clear as @brihard points out the flaps are up and not in any sort of take off position.
Furthermore when it appears that they are not climbing enough and starts to fall, one would normally push the nose down to gain speed - not pull back on the yoke and make it unrecoverable.

2. Could the instrumentation/controls be sabotaged to make the flight crew think their flaps were at 15 degrees but were physically at 0 degrees?

Yes - but seeing as the crew didn't react like one should for a take off stall procedure - I think it is incompetence or worse from the flight crew.

 

[PrairieFella]

While not a pilot it is pretty clear as @brihard points out the flaps are up and not in any sort of take off position.
Furthermore when it appears that they are not climbing enough and starts to fall, one would normally push the nose down to gain speed - not pull back on the yoke and make it unrecoverable.


Yes - but seeing as the crew didn't react like one should for a take off stall procedure - I think it is incompetence or worse from the flight crew.

Apparently the pilot had thousands of hours as a long haul pilot. I wouldn't say he was incompetent.

 

[KevinB]

Apparently the pilot had thousands of hours as a long haul pilot. I wouldn't say he was incompetent.

One can be experienced and still do incompetent activities.
Was he at the controls, or was the Co-Pilot, or was anyone?

 

[PrairieFella]

One can be experienced and still do incompetent activities.
Was he at the controls, or was the Co-Pilot, or was anyone?

Good questions.

 

[daftandbarmy]

One can be experienced and still do incompetent activities.
Was he at the controls, or was the Co-Pilot, or was anyone?

The British passenger that survived reported hearing a 'big bang' just before the crash, apparently ...

 

[PrairieFella]

The British passenger that survived reported hearing a 'big bang' just before the crash, apparently ...

Foul play perhaps? In that part of the world with the current tensions, I sure hope not.

 

[KevinB]

The British passenger that survived reported hearing a 'big bang' just before the crash, apparently ...

Still weird - as most pilots pull up the gear right after rotation and the wheels are clear.
So no flaps applied and gear left down, then pulling back upon a stall --- nothing there jumps out as a pilot trying to see a safe flight...

 

[PrairieFella]

Still weird - as most pilots pull up the gear right after rotation and the wheels are clear.
So no flaps applied and gear left down, then pulling back upon a stall --- nothing there jumps out as a pilot trying to see a safe flight...

If there was a loud bang, were the pilots alive?