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Trump administration 2024-2028

FJAG said:
This whole thing is an interesting question, isn't it?

. . . A 250th celebration for the forming of the Continental Army is, IMHO, merited as a tribute to all the wars it has fought during that time. . . .
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I haven't seen any "national" 250th anniversary parades scheduled for October 13th. Or November 10th. Oh wait, the Corps always does a birthday party each year with a cake.

I was looking for an appropriate Will Rogers' quote. I faintly remember something about if you're going to honour the men in uniform you shouldn't make them march by you, instead they should sit in the stands and you should march by them. However couldn't find attribution, maybe somebody else. Personally, the only parades that are in the American national consciousness are the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, the Rose Bowl parade and the Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans. The appropriate metaphors for America; commercialism, football and debauchery.
 
CBH99 said:
I understand Boeing has challenges right now, and will for the foreseeable future.

But shouldn't this have been a fairly straightforward matter of building 2 new 747's, and installing the modernized version of the same mission-specific equipment on the current fleet??


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Oh it was a fricken train wreck during Trump45’s tenure. Nasty negotiation, and the modifications required take ages.

The ‘gift’ horse won’t be converted by the time 47’s reign ends (assuming he doesn’t decide he is king)
 
Brad Sallows said:
The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.
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I'd buy the coincidence theory if Trump hadn't been pushing for a big military parade since seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017.

www.bbc.com

Trump tells Pentagon 'to top' France military parade

The president was reportedly so impressed by a ceremony in France he wants one for the US.
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Trump quote from 2018:
US President Donald Trump has asked the Pentagon to organise a large military parade in the nation's capital.
The president made the request of top military chiefs in late January, after reportedly being impressed by a French Bastille Day parade last year.
"It was one of the greatest parades I've ever seen," he later said. "We're going to have to try and top it."
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KevinB said:
Very discouraging

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933876250986111061
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Looks like both have been shot, probably as well as the spouse of at least one. Each were targeted in separate locations in the early morning. Both are state democrats, with Melissa Hortman being the party leader. Shooter was dressed at least somewhat like a cop. No consistent reporting on their condition.

Live updates: Brooklyn Park shelter-in-place after multiple shootings, suspect may be impersonating police | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul

A shelter-in-place alert was sent out at 5:30 a.m. Saturday morning by the Brooklyn Park Police Department after multiple shootings. A suspect in the shooting may be impersonating law enforcement and should not be approached.
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If this happened at 2 am, it would have been a bit of time waking everyone up and getting them in in terms of bigger picture major investigation. FBI JTTF will almost certainly be at least hanging out close by in case this evolves to being a terrorism thing. Anyone on the lookout for” would have gone out ASAP, once they had info on what to look for (from witnesses, security cameras etc), but I could see there being delay there if the victims were unable to communicate.

Everyone will have been working balls to the wall for a few hours now.

Needless to say. Targeted shootings (murders?) of two separate state legislators is a huge deal. This is still very developing.
 
An update. So far, one of the couples are dead.

www.usatoday.com

2 dead, 2 injured after state lawmakers and spouses shot, Minnesota gov says

Authorities are searching for a shooting suspect who dressed as a police officer and fled on foot, officials said.
www.usatoday.com
A Minnesota lawmaker and her husband were killed and another lawmaker and his wife were injured in what Gov. Tim Walz called a “politically motivated assassination.”

Authorities are continuing to search for a suspect who dressed as a police officer, exchanged gunfire with officers and fled, officials said at a Saturday morning news conference.

State Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed and State Sen. John Hoffman and his wife Yvette were shot and wounded in “targeted shootings” in Champlin and Brooklyn Park, two neighboring suburban cities 10 to 20 miles outside Minneapolis.
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GovI nor Tim Walz just gave a press conference:

  • State Senator John Hoffman and his wife were both shot at around 2 am and are expected to survive.
  • At around 3:35 am, police were proactive checking in State Representative Melissa Hortman. As they were on scene, police exchanged fire with a suspect. The suspect escaped. Hortman and her husband Mark were both shot and killed. My inference is that police must have arrived just as the murder was happening.
  • Police found a vehicle dressed up as a fake police vehicle. In it they found a manifesto containing a list of targets.
  • An active manhunt is underway and police have the identify of the suspect but are not yet releasing it.
  • Governor Walz called this a “politically motivated assassination.”
Obviously there’s immediately speculation about party affiliation, voting records, suspect ideology, etc, but police have a manifesto so I won’t bother repeating and speculating. That’ll come out before too long.
 
brihard said:
Obviously there’s immediately speculation about party affiliation, voting records, suspect ideology, etc, but police have a manifesto so I won’t bother repeating and speculating. That’ll come out before too long.
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Any idea why the police wouldn't release the identity of the shooter considering he's armed and in the public?
 
Partisans (including those elected into office) have been hyperbolically accusing their opponents of being threats to the nation & enemies of the nation at an increasing rate for years. This has had the dual effects of diluting the significance of such allegations when made legitimately and of increasing the level of hostility within society. This is not unique to the US, but the country has certainly gotten itself to a boiling point.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Any idea why the police wouldn't release the identity of the shooter considering he's armed and in the public?
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They’re working an active manhunt, I’m not going to send guess their decisions on what to release. They did release a description, which really is a lot more meaningful than a name at this stage. In the background there’s a ton of investigation happening, digging into his background, capturing his social media, stuff like that. As soon as a name comes out a lot of web presence starts getting scrubbed and that can be a hassle. He may live with people who are as of yet totally unaware of this, and police will want a clean house to hit with a search warrant. Lots of reasons to hold that back in the initial hours.
 
As much as many will immediately associate a rise in political violence with the attitudes, pronouncements and general antics of the current US administration, perhaps discussion of this latest incident should be moved to a separate thread or to an existing "general terrorism" thread. There is enough happening in the world that can be directly linked to the Trump administration to fill many more pages here.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Were either victim involved in contentious political bills or anything?
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Maybe the repeal of MinnesotaCare for illegal aliens. Hortman was the only Democrat in the House to vote for repeal. But Hoffman reportedly did NOT vote for repeal in the Senate. Whatever is in the "document" obtained by police should provide the best answer to questions of motivation.
 
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