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Trump administration 2024-2028

US Military arrests veteran... ironic

Reuters images showed Marines apprehending the man, restraining his hands with zip ties and then handing him over to civilians from the Department of Homeland Security.

Asked about the incident, the U.S. military's Northern Command spokesperson said active duty forces "may temporarily detain an individual in specific circumstances."

"Any temporary detention ends immediately when the individual(s) can be safely transferred to the custody of appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel," a spokesperson said.

Speaking to reporters after he was released, the civilian identified himself as Marcos Leao, 27. Leao said he was an Army veteran on his way to an office of the Department of Veterans Affairs when he crossed a yellow tape boundary and was asked to stop.

 
"And tomorrow, we are going to witness a military parade in DC that just happens to coincide with Trump’s 79th birthday and the Army’s 250th."

The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.

So that leaves the "coincidence of a military parade". The army could do without a celebration, or something less showy (and expensive). Too bad we can't run a counter-factual in which Trump is not the president on the army's 250th anniversary to see just what would be acceptable.

The run up to 2026 (1776+250) is going to be politically interesting, and the celebrations will be expensive. It's asking a bit much for the country to stiff itself just because some people can't stand their self-aggrandizing president trying to get in the frame of every picture.

This ongoing fray over illegal immigration reminds me of the Ukraine war. Escalate and win, make peace and cut losses, or just keep it going to bleed Russia at the cost of bleeding Ukraine. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans. On immigration: grant citizenship en masse, deport en masse, or just keep them as a class of peasants. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans.

If anyone wants to claim the high ground of #1 (of either) on behalf of Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans, they've got a hard case to prove.
 
This whole thing is an interesting question, isn't it?

Let me start off by saying that I'm in favour of the parade. It's not like there haven't already been grand military parades in the US. Take the Army of the Potomac's parade through Washington after the Civil War and the massive victory parade through New York on January 12th, 1946. A 250th celebration for the forming of the Continental Army is, IMHO, merited as a tribute to all the wars it has fought during that time.

I sometimes wonder where the opposition to such parades in the US comes from. Maybe its still a Vietnam War artifact? We seem to have the same backlash in Canada short of the benign Remembrance Day parades and the always entertaining tourist attraction every summer on Parliament Hill.

Personally, I think Canadians needs to see more of its army in fighting order with equipment on parade so that they understand that they have an army and not a peacekeeping paramilitary..

I'm somewhat hoping that the US Army's day isn't spoiled by the parade's association with the grandstanding that Trump will do to make it a day about himself and to vilify his perceived enemies rather than one for praising the nation's army.

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FJAG said:
I sometimes wonder where the opposition to such parades in the US comes from. Maybe its still a Vietnam War artifact?
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Though IIRC there was a parade with tanks and so on post-GW1. Maybe as a routine thing it was seen as too like the Soviet Victory Day?
 
quadrapiper said:
Though IIRC there was a parade with tanks and so on post-GW1. Maybe as a routine thing it was seen as too like the Soviet Victory Day?
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Generally specific Victory Parades are viewed as okay, but Ike, and others thought that the Stalin type parades where in poor taste and not becoming a strong democracy.
 
FJAG said:
This whole thing is an interesting question, isn't it?

. . . A 250th celebration for the forming of the Continental Army is, IMHO, merited as a tribute to all the wars it has fought during that time. . . .
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I haven't seen any "national" 250th anniversary parades scheduled for October 13th. Or November 10th. Oh wait, the Corps always does a birthday party each year with a cake.

I was looking for an appropriate Will Rogers' quote. I faintly remember something about if you're going to honour the men in uniform you shouldn't make them march by you, instead they should sit in the stands and you should march by them. However couldn't find attribution, maybe somebody else. Personally, the only parades that are in the American national consciousness are the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, the Rose Bowl parade and the Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans. The appropriate metaphors for America; commercialism, football and debauchery.
 
CBH99 said:
I understand Boeing has challenges right now, and will for the foreseeable future.

But shouldn't this have been a fairly straightforward matter of building 2 new 747's, and installing the modernized version of the same mission-specific equipment on the current fleet??


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Oh it was a fricken train wreck during Trump45’s tenure. Nasty negotiation, and the modifications required take ages.

The ‘gift’ horse won’t be converted by the time 47’s reign ends (assuming he doesn’t decide he is king)
 
Brad Sallows said:
The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.
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I'd buy the coincidence theory if Trump hadn't been pushing for a big military parade since seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017.

www.bbc.com

Trump tells Pentagon 'to top' France military parade

The president was reportedly so impressed by a ceremony in France he wants one for the US.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Trump quote from 2018:
US President Donald Trump has asked the Pentagon to organise a large military parade in the nation's capital.
The president made the request of top military chiefs in late January, after reportedly being impressed by a French Bastille Day parade last year.
"It was one of the greatest parades I've ever seen," he later said. "We're going to have to try and top it."
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Blackadder1916 said:
I haven't seen any "national" 250th anniversary parades scheduled for October 13th. Or November 10th. Oh wait, the Corps always does a birthday party each year with a cake.

I was looking for an appropriate Will Rogers' quote. I faintly remember something about if you're going to honour the men in uniform you shouldn't make them march by you, instead they should sit in the stands and you should march by them. However couldn't find attribution, maybe somebody else. Personally, the only parades that are in the American national consciousness are the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, the Rose Bowl parade and the Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans. The appropriate metaphors for America; commercialism, football and debauchery.
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The Marine Corps ball is a remarkably couth approach, especially as an all-ranks thing.

As for Army birthday parades: if some sort of "march out of the garrison with flags and band, route to conclude in local park with beer, beef, and hopefully adoring civilians" thing didn't evolve in 18-whatever, the moment has probably passed.

Is there a US equivalent to freedom of the city?

Saw the assassination stuff. Nothing useful to add.
 
Brad Sallows said:
"And tomorrow, we are going to witness a military parade in DC that just happens to coincide with Trump’s 79th birthday and the Army’s 250th."

The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.

So that leaves the "coincidence of a military parade". The army could do without a celebration, or something less showy (and expensive). Too bad we can't run a counter-factual in which Trump is not the president on the army's 250th anniversary to see just what would be acceptable.

The run up to 2026 (1776+250) is going to be politically interesting, and the celebrations will be expensive. It's asking a bit much for the country to stiff itself just because some people can't stand their self-aggrandizing president trying to get in the frame of every picture.

This ongoing fray over illegal immigration reminds me of the Ukraine war. Escalate and win, make peace and cut losses, or just keep it going to bleed Russia at the cost of bleeding Ukraine. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans. On immigration: grant citizenship en masse, deport en masse, or just keep them as a class of peasants. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans.

If anyone wants to claim the high ground of #1 (of either) on behalf of Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans, they've got a hard case to prove.
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I won't blame anyone.

I'll just sit back and watch all the regulars who claim moral superiority by blaming everything on "TDS" do their thing. The fucking irony.
 
armyvern said:
I won't blame anyone.

I'll just sit back and watch all the regulars who claim moral superiority by blaming everything on "TDS" do their thing. The fucking irony.
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TDS, BDS, ODS. Doesn't matter. It all just comes down to policy differences.
 
CBH99 said:
Welcome back Vern 🥂
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:)

futurama agree GIF
 
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