Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

That Trump is provoking us to make ourselves a better country is a miserable state of affairs.

I think the problem is for some they refused to recognize how bad things were/are.

Now not only are they being forced to confront the situation of their own doing, its being forced upon them by someone they regard as the most distasteful and awful human on the planet.

I don't think you can rightly expect this cohort to have come to Jesus moment about it. It would require way to much admission of guilt from them.

 

[brihard]

That remains to be seen.



This seems like an important piece of transparency which is missing.




We dont need more sex offenses and domestic violence in Canada, I'd prefer their applications turfed in those cases.

Sure, I’m good with more data.

Given the serious criminality must be subjected to an application and that review of more serious offences is stated as going to a higher level of review, I’d say that increased scrutiny exists. But the nerd in me would definitely be interested in a data table listing how many ‘deemed’ and ‘on application’ IRPA rehabilitations were granted against the specific equivalent Canadian offences.

 

[ArmyRick]

Sure. We have both automatic (after ten years, for more minor criminality) and upon-application (for serious criminality) ‘rehabilitation’ for people who have committed criminal acts and whose convictions are now long behind them. Best analogy is to think of it as a ‘border pardon’. Someone has to have been free and clear of criminality for a long time to get ‘rehabilitated’ under IRPA. Minimum 5 years if it’s an application, and minimum ten years for automatic for minor offences.

‘Serious criminality’ under IRPA includes anything for which you can be sentenced to ten or more years. This is stuff like someone who got an impaired driving conviction in the U.S. more than ten years ago. Even a misdemeanour DUI down there equates to an indictable offence that constitutes serious criminality here… I’d be willing to bet that DUIs are the largest proportion of these.

I have no real gripe with it if people have completed their sentence, have stayed out of shit for the necessary time, and their original offences weren’t heinous.

Interesting point.

Convicted of say violating religious laws in an Islamic nation and thus a convicted a criminal, no one here gives a shit.

Convicted of food theft when your 16 in some poor nation and its now 15 years later, no one here gives a shit.

You blew up a hotel lobby killing 6 people because of "whatever cause" and now you want to come here, hold on, wait, we need more info, much, much more info.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I think the problem is for some they refused to recognize how bad things were/are.

I wouldn't characterize things as "bad". At root it's just all about money, with a dash of anti-Americanism thrown in. We prefer to spend on things other than defence; we preferred to protect whatever interests benefited from internal trade barriers; we prefer to seek new revenues elsewhere than the lower and middle income earners to try to meet all the demands for publicly-funded teats.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wouldn't characterize things as "bad". At root it's just all about money, with a dash of anti-Americanism thrown in. We prefer to spend on things other than defence; we preferred to protect whatever interests benefited from internal trade barriers; we prefer to seek new revenues elsewhere than the lower and middle income earners to try to meet all the demands for publicly-funded teats.

Things are bad.

There are wants and needs. We have had a terrible time as late differentiating between the two.

 

[brihard]

Interesting point.

Convicted of say violating religious laws in an Islamic nation and thus a convicted a criminal, no one here gives a shit.

Convicted of food theft when your 16 in some poor nation and its now 15 years later, no one here gives a shit.

You blew up a hotel lobby killing 6 people because of "whatever cause" and now you want to come here, hold on, wait, we need more info, much, much more info.

Yeah, I’m thinking that latter case isn’t the sort of thing we’d ever see granted rehabilitation. Some things will just be ‘no, stay the hell out forever’. It’ll be stuff that does hit the ‘serious criminality’ threshold - impaired driving, assault causing bodily harm, etc - but which is long in the past and where the person has left that all behind them. Pretty similar to pardons, I expect.

A sentence has to be completed, including all parole, probation, driving prohibitions etc before the clock even starts ticking towards eligibility.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Given the serious criminality must be subjected to an application and that review of more serious offences is stated as going to a higher level of review, I’d say that increased scrutiny exists. But the nerd in me would definitely be interested in a data table listing how many ‘deemed’ and ‘on application’ IRPA rehabilitations were granted against the specific equivalent Canadian offences.

My question has the government of the last 10 years earned our trust where we can readily believe these application reviews are handled properly and thoroughly?

ArriveCan and Birju Dattani quickly come to mind. As well as the Mendicino Bernardo flop and losing track of 500,000? guests.

I'm willing to bet some real nasty people made it through.

 

[Halifax Tar]

My question has the government of the last 10 years earned our trust where we can readily believe these application reviews are handled properly and thoroughly?

Canadians gave their answer to that question at the outcome of the last election.

 

[brihard]

My question has the government of the last 10 years earned our trust where we can readily believe these application reviews are handled properly and thoroughly?

ArriveCan and Birju Dattani quickly come to mind. As well as the Mendicino Bernardo flop and losing track of 500,000? guests.

I'm willing to bet some real nasty people made it through.

As of yet I’ve seen no reporting on instances where the IRPA inadmissibility rehabilitation system has clearly failed. Not to say there aren’t any; I’m just not aware of them. I’m inclined to think if someone had gotten a waiver for a past conviction of rape or something and got found out, we’d hear about it. Such things leak.

More public disclosure of data would absolutely be good.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Thats not what i said at all. I want him to get a fair chance (as Martin got in 2004) to prove he can offer this nation something valuable.

Fair point. I read what I expected to read, not what was there. Mea culpa and apologies.

MY POINT (that you can't understand and I suspect you have past prejudices on what I say),

I do not believe that I have prejudices. It is more that I have formed opinion about you based on your posting history, as I have with every other posting on this site, and iI suspect that is the case for many others on this site, and indeed in society at large.

The key thing I have to master is to take that 1...2...3...pause before I form a response / or opinion to allow me to respond to the statement and not the individual. It is a work in progress.

is PMMC looks to be very smart, and has objectives, but he will not reach them with Champagne, Gibeault, Melanie Joly, McKinnon, Gregor Robertson (the new housing guy), and a few others keep saying dumb things to the media, in parliament and in public. It won't matter how effective his plan is if these other buffoons bring him down.

Agreed. I reckon a shuffle comes in the late Fall....

If he plays his cards right, and does an effective job of lowering our deficit and raising our productivity (in theory improving personal wealth for all Canadians), he won't have the opposition taking it from him.

True.

Apologies for muddying the waters.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...

Mark Carney may have a winking problem: Why PM's not-so subtle habit is risky on the world stage​

The prime minister is a habitual winker. Once is once, two is a coincidence, three is a trend, and National Post counts at least four prominent public winks by Mark Carney since winning the top office — in Rideau Hall at his swearing in, in the Oval Office, and twice at the G7 in Kananaskis, Alta. — plus many more going back to his governorship of the Bank of England.

MSN

 

[Czech_pivo]

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...

Mark Carney may have a winking problem: Why PM's not-so subtle habit is risky on the world stage​

The prime minister is a habitual winker. Once is once, two is a coincidence, three is a trend, and National Post counts at least four prominent public winks by Mark Carney since winning the top office — in Rideau Hall at his swearing in, in the Oval Office, and twice at the G7 in Kananaskis, Alta. — plus many more going back to his governorship of the Bank of England.

MSN

God, they look for anything to write/talk about.
If the PM routinely cracked his/her knuckles, they’d talk about that.

 

[daftandbarmy]

God, they look for anything to write/talk about.
If the PM routinely cracked his/her knuckles, they’d talk about that.

But what if it indicates he has a serious nervous disorder of some kind? You know, like 'Bafflegab Joe' Biden

Sadly, I did not see mention of this (oddly named) condition in the article.... I shall try to use this term at least once weekly in random conversations

Blepharospasm​

• •A benign nervous system condition characterized by uncontrollable eyelid spasms
• •Symptoms include loss of ability to control eyelid movements, uncontrolled blinking, frequent blinking
• •Treatment includes Botox injections, tinted glasses, medication, surgery, psychotherapy

Blepharospasm

A benign nervous condition in which the eyelids spasm uncontrollably.

www.yalemedicine.org

 

[Haggis]

Sure. We have both automatic (after ten years, for more minor criminality) and upon-application (for serious criminality) ‘rehabilitation’ for people who have committed criminal acts and whose convictions are now long behind them. Best analogy is to think of it as a ‘border pardon’. Someone has to have been free and clear of criminality for a long time to get ‘rehabilitated’ under IRPA. Minimum 5 years if it’s an application, and minimum ten years for automatic for minor offences.

If someone arrives at a port of entry and has a criminal past, they may be deemed rehabilitated during an immigration interview by a BSO. A criminal past can come to light during questioning, a spontaneous admission or as the result of a records/systems check.

Or they may be deemed inadmissible, denied entry and/or removed from Canada.

If they really wish to enter Canada, they can then apply for rehabiliation, from outside Canada. It's a long process with no guarantees of success. The fees are $239.75 for criminality and $1199.99 for serious criminality and are NOT refundable if your application is not successful.

‘Serious criminality’ under IRPA includes anything for which you can be sentenced to ten or more years. This is stuff like someone who got an impaired driving conviction in the U.S. more than ten years ago. Even a misdemeanour DUI down there equates to an indictable offence that constitutes serious criminality here… I’d be willing to bet that DUIs are the largest proportion of these.

Yes, since our DUI laws changed, that's the most common. A lot of travelers will admit to convictions under arcane local ordnances which cause us to really dive into the books to see if the offense in any way equates to anything in our Criminal Code. It all depends on the wording of the offense in the jurisdiction of conviction.

 

[PrairieFella]

why would they change their vote. They seem to prefer the status quo. And it isn't the liberal in this case. For Toronto it is the Metropolitan who are directed by the politicians (police commissioner and the mayor's office).. The same can be said for every community on Ontario with a local constabulary. Beyond that it is the province that is allowing the breakdown in law and they are re-enforced by the judiciary who are appointed by government. So I suppose my statement is untrue. It is the liberals because they have selected the style of judiciary that we are inflicted with.

He doesn't mean LPC, he means liberal as in liberal democracy. I'd suppose 75% of Canadians are liberals of some variety with social democrats on one end of that spectrum and laissez-faire libertarians on the other.

 

[brihard]

Yes, since our DUI laws changed, that's the most common. A lot of travelers will admit to convictions under arcane local ordnances which cause us to really dive into the books to see if the offense in any way equates to anything in our Criminal Code. It all depends on the wording of the offense in the jurisdiction of conviction.

I know I’m weird, but that would be kinda fun. I’ve gotten a couple people kicked out after routine dealings here, running them through US NCIC on a hunch, and finding out they had something fairly heavy on them south of the border that didn’t get caught at POE.

 

[dapaterson]

finding out they had something fairly heavy on them south of the border that didn’t get caught at POE.

To be inadmissible at Cornwall takes a lot...

 

[RangerRay]

He doesn't mean LPC, he means liberal as in liberal democracy. I'd suppose 75% of Canadians are liberals of some variety with social democrats on one end of that spectrum and laissez-faire libertarians on the other.

Yes, I meant “liberal” in the broad sense, but it is usually, but not exclusively, the liberal left that seems more squeamish about enforcing the law.

 

[MilEME09]

Well this is interesting, former deputy PMs firm sueing a company for unpaid lobbying. Company says they never hired them to lobby on their behalf.

Former deputy prime minister Sheila Copps’ firm sues for share of $2 billion federal contract

BTNX says if Copps' firm lobbied on its behalf, "then it did so by illegal means"

theijf.org

 

[GK .Dundas]

Well this is interesting, former deputy PMs firm sueing a company for unpaid lobbying. Company says they never hired them to lobby on their behalf.

Former deputy prime minister Sheila Copps’ firm sues for share of $2 billion federal contract

BTNX says if Copps' firm lobbied on its behalf, "then it did so by illegal means"

theijf.org

The acorn apparently does not fall far from the tree.