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P320 claims another one...


Ceres, CA- On June 24, 2025, at approximately 12:50 p.m., a Ceres Police Department School Resource Officer (SRO) was injured when her department-approved firearm discharged while holstered in the parking lot of Blaker-Kinser Junior High School, located at 1601 Kinser Road in Ceres. The officer involved in the incident has been identified as Officer Salin Chrim, a sworn member of the department assigned as a School Resource Officer.

At the time of the incident, summer school had concluded for the day, and only a limited number of students and staff remained on campus. Officer Chrim was not interacting with any students when the firearm discharged. Officer Chrim sustained a non-life-threatening injury to her leg and was immediately transported to a local hospital for medical treatment. No other individuals were injured.

The firearm involved in the incident was a Sig Sauer P320, carried in a department-approved holster. Preliminary review has determined that both the firearm and holster were compatible and compliant with current Ceres Police Department policy. The discharge is being investigated as an uncommanded discharge, as the firearm was securely holstered and not being manipulated by Officer Chrim at the time of its discharge.
In accordance with department procedures, the firearm and holster will be submitted to the California Department of Justice for full inspection and evaluation to determine the cause of the discharge and ensure the continued safety of our officers and community.

The Ceres Police Department takes incidents involving firearms extremely serious and is committed to transparency, officer safety, and public trust. We are fully cooperating with the appropriate agencies during this evaluation.

Further updates will be provided as new information becomes available.

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All I can say is Yikes...

I'm not the most knowledgeable gun guy by a long shot, but...


Does this affect our pistol replacement?

 

[brihard]

All I can say is Yikes...

I'm not the most knowledgeable gun guy by a long shot, but...


Does this affect our pistol replacement?

Not if you immediately yell “contact!” when you ND your leg.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

All I can say is Yikes...

I'm not the most knowledgeable gun guy by a long shot, but...


Does this affect our pistol replacement?

It does and it doesn't.

I did the C22 course this past month and they were saying a lot of the "safety" (or lack there of) concerns were to be mitigated by proper training and control measures. One of which is limiting when the weapon is holstered with one in the spout.

One would assume having a loaded and readied pistol as a SRO is overkill, but hey, what do I know

 

[brihard]

It does and it doesn't.

I did the C22 course this past month and they were saying a lot of the "safety" (or lack there of) concerns were to be mitigated by proper training and control measures. One of which is limiting when the weapon is holstered with one in the spout.

One would assume having a loaded and readied pistol as a SRO is overkill, but hey, what do I know

If “minimize the time it’s readied in the holster” is considered a mitigator, that’s… bad. I hate that troops may feel any fear of bolstering a readied pistol.

You don’t need a pistol until you need a pistol. And when you do it should be draw and shoot.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

If “minimize the time it’s resided in the holster” is considered a mitigatir, that’s… bad. I hate that troops may feel any fear of bolstering a readied pistol.

You don’t need a pistol until you need a pistol. And when you do it should be draw and shoot.

Could have been a "Crawl, Walk, Run" thing. We only did PWT 1 after the course, but then again we have weapon readiness states for a reason. I don't know any more than that

 

[Maxman1]

By "department approved", was it issued or purchased privately?

 

[brihard]

Could have been a "Crawl, Walk, Run" thing. We only did PWT 1 after the course, but then again we have weapon readiness states for a reason. I don't know any more than that

Sure, and I get that the context is different from what I’m now accustomed to. But a cookie cutter approach that applies rifle handling SOPs to pistols without consciously accounting for the differences in mechanics, holstering, and ergonomics is a shortcoming.

Now, weapon states in and of themselves- 100%, no heartache. My gripe here is specifically that it’s being put forth in response to a safety concern. That can’t help but detrimentally impact soldiers’ confidence in their ability to safely carry the weapon readied. Me no likey.

 

[AmmoTech90]

I agree with Bruhard that if the CAF teaches that, it is a bad thing and an admission there are problems.

It raises the question of a person's culpability if the do have a ND when drawing a readied pistol.

If it has been accepted and they have been taught that holstering a readied pistol can increase the chance of an unwanted discharge can anyone be found guilty in that situation?

 

[PuckChaser]

If “minimize the time it’s readied in the holster” is considered a mitigator, that’s… bad. I hate that troops may feel any fear of bolstering a readied pistol.

You don’t need a pistol until you need a pistol. And when you do it should be draw and shoot.

Concur. If a pistol is not safe enough to carry readied, it's not safe to carry period. Microseconds matter when youre firing at a target with a weapon that has a reliably accurate range of 15m.

 

[captloadie]

I watched the video, hoping there might be more information on the version of the pistol (was an it older model with the known issues). It looks like the pistol discharged as she was taking her backpack off, as it appeared to catch on the holster as it was dropping off her shoulder. As well, the placement on the belt of the holster appears it may have played a factor. This may have been more of a user error than, but being put out there as a potential firearm issue in the media, in an effort to not get blowback from the community who may question the training of the SROs.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sure, and I get that the context is different from what I’m now accustomed to. But a cookie cutter approach that applies rifle handling SOPs to pistols without consciously accounting for the differences in mechanics, holstering, and ergonomics is a shortcoming.

Now, weapon states in and of themselves- 100%, no heartache. My gripe here is specifically that it’s being put forth in response to a safety concern. That can’t help but detrimentally impact soldiers’ confidence in their ability to safely carry the weapon readied. Me no likey.

Spanish police had a pistol that was so dangerous it was carried without one up the spout. I am a Sigaholic, but even I declined to buy one of these when I could.

 

[Good2Golf]

Now, weapon states in and of themselves- 100%, no heartache. My gripe here is specifically that it’s being put forth in response to a safety concern. That can’t help but detrimentally impact soldiers’ confidence in their ability to safely carry the weapon readied. Me no likey.

Mitigating procedures (official or informal) to an underlaying issue are never a good thing. I know of an operational accident where a mitigating action/practice had crept from a training environment into an operational environment, and people died as a result of the ‘ism.’

I’ll take brihard’s LE view/experience on this as a reasonable take on right/wrong/good/bad.

 

[MilEME09]

Sure, and I get that the context is different from what I’m now accustomed to. But a cookie cutter approach that applies rifle handling SOPs to pistols without consciously accounting for the differences in mechanics, holstering, and ergonomics is a shortcoming.

Now, weapon states in and of themselves- 100%, no heartache. My gripe here is specifically that it’s being put forth in response to a safety concern. That can’t help but detrimentally impact soldiers’ confidence in their ability to safely carry the weapon readied. Me no likey.

agreed, and drills have already been modified slightly because of safety concerns of people not fully holstering their pistols. Right now hot holstering isnt allowed until you pass PWT3A, Really its a check in the box more than anything.

Now for this incident, without knowing the model of holster or which version of the 320, its hard to say 100% what happened here, did the bag catch on the holster causing the discharge? was it an older model 320 that doesn't have the double bent sear (safety feature added after the drop fire incidents). I hope the investigation eventually gets released publically as i'd be curious how this plays out.

 

[OldSolduer]

Concur. If a pistol is not safe enough to carry readied, it's not safe to carry period. Microseconds matter when youre firing at a target with a weapon that has a reliably accurate range of 15m.

Bingo sir. Fully agree.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If “minimize the time it’s readied in the holster” is considered a mitigator, that’s… bad. I hate that troops may feel any fear of bolstering a readied pistol.

You don’t need a pistol until you need a pistol. And when you do it should be draw and shoot.

My single action .45 is carried cocked and locked with the thumb break strap between the hammer and firing pin. Drawing your firearm when needed is no time to be racking your slide.

 

[MilEME09]

My single action .45 is carried cocked and locked with the thumb break strap between the hammer and firing pin. Drawing your firearm when needed is no time to be racking your slide.

little harder to do with a striker fire, which is why the trigger is completely blocked off by the issued holster.

 

[daftandbarmy]

My single action .45 is carried cocked and locked with the thumb break strap between the hammer and firing pin. Drawing your firearm when needed is no time to be racking your slide.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

little harder to do with a striker fire, which is why the trigger is completely blocked off by the issued holster.

Most accidental discharge scenarios are the result of laziness and/or complacency. Carrying a modern striker fired gun with one in the chamber is no different than carrying a hammer fired 1911 "cocked and locked". The person using the gun must train and become proficient with its operation. A gun is a tool and that tool should be ready to use. The main safety for any tool is what is between the ears.

 

[MilEME09]

Most accidental discharge scenarios are the result of laziness and/or complacency. Carrying a modern striker fired gun with one in the chamber is no different than carrying a hammer fired 1911 "cocked and locked". The person using the gun must train and become proficient with its operation. A gun is a tool and that tool should be ready to use. The main safety for any tool is what is between the ears.

Agreed, I was referring to the extra safety you had of a strap to block the hammer

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Agreed, I was referring to the extra safety you had of a strap to block the hammer

It's a thumb break. It unsnaps when my thumb hits it and the gun is free to draw. It's a requirement for wilderness carry.