BHP replacement project - C22 Pistol megathread

[KevinB]

Time machine goals might be a while off still...

But you're always welcome to move here to Alberta! No tangible gun ban here.


(Like as a Plan B, if time machine doesn't work out...)

No he needs a Time Machine, the correction of a major TacHel debacle is at stake.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

No he needs a Time Machine, the correction of a major TacHel debacle is at stake.

Man, can you imagine that time line branch?

 

[Good2Golf]

Man, can you imagine that time line branch?

It would be

 

[Fabius]

I thought that it’s since been amended and any NCO who is qualified on the C22 can instruct the C22. Therefore there is no need for the C22 instructor crse or new pers to be qualified that.

If you have DWAN/ACIMS access the document laying out the revised C22 training requirements is titled “Update to Interim Training Authority- C22 Modular Full Frame Pistol (C22 MFFP)”.
A search should find it for you, it was issued by Comd CTC on 12 April 2024.

It stipulates that anyone qualified to instruct a military lesson and qualified to operate the C22, is qualified to instruct on the pistol.

 

[Maxman1]

No he needs a Time Machine, the correction of a major TacHel debacle is at stake.

If I had a time machine, I would do a lot more than buy a pistol.

 

[markppcli]

If you have DWAN/ACIMS access the document laying out the revised C22 training requirements is titled “Update to Interim Training Authority- C22 Modular Full Frame Pistol (C22 MFFP)”.
A search should find it for you, it was issued by Comd CTC on 12 April 2024.

It stipulates that anyone qualified to instruct a military lesson and qualified to operate the C22, is qualified to instruct on the pistol.

Ah good, so we’ve moved past the awkward Sgt with ASA can teach any foreign weapon but not the C22 stage.

 

[dapaterson]

Ah good, so we’ve moved past the awkward Sgt with ASA can teach any foreign weapon but not the C22 stage.

I'd hope that Sgts aren't awkward, particularly when it comes to small arms

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I worked at FN for 18 months - in 2015-16, I can guarantee you that the issues of the BHP was a major discussion point every time I traveled to Herstal and the Browning BD folks where uninterested in bringing it back -- there where guns being assembled in Portugal from older parts, (most said made in Belgium assembled in Portugal. When it came to talking about reintroducing the BHP Herstal just kept shrugging there shoulders, and looking at Browning.

There were a number of FN Herstal BHP's in FN America vaults that had the safety modified to drop the hammer when applied, and recock the hammer when removed. It was a little alarming to use for a regular BHP guy.

Interesting, I know that the Pistol Design team was working on a "Metal Frame Pistol" a la BHP, but Browning had been uninterested in allowed FN America to use the BHP nomenclature -- glad they managed to turn it around.

I'm going to need to get a buddy at FN to hook me up for one.

Didn't the Turks make a BHP clone?

 

[Maxman1]

Ah good, so we’ve moved past the awkward Sgt with ASA can teach any foreign weapon but not the C22 stage.

Yes, ASA now includes C22.

 

[markppcli]

Yes, ASA now includes C22.

Well I’d hope so lol. I just meant the previous policy was not instructing C22 unless C22 instructor which was a separate qual - even though ASA teaches you to teach foreign weapons for which we have no Pam.

 

[KevinB]

Didn't the Turks make a BHP clone?

Yes - pretty rough gun, which is surprising given the Turks managed to make MP-5's, Hk33's, Hk23 and 21's which took a lot more machine skill.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The old accidental ND trick.

Air Force makes arrest in airman’s shooting death involving M18 pistol​

The Air Force has arrested an airman in connection with the July 20 death of another airman, which involved a Sig Sauer M18 and led the service to suspend the use of the pistol following the incident.

In a Friday statement, a Department of the Air Force spokesperson said that the unidentified arrested person is accused of making a false official statement, obstruction of justice and involuntary manslaughter.[/quote]

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Yes - pretty rough gun, which is surprising given the Turks managed to make MP-5's, Hk33's, Hk23 and 21's which took a lot more machine skill.

Do you mean that in a good way or bad way?

 

[KevinB]

Do you mean that in a good way or bad way?

Bad. Kinda of like if a drunk with a dremel was put in to do the final finishing tasks.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Bad. Kinda of like if a drunk with a dremel was put in to do the final finishing tasks.

Okay. Just curious as I had handled one a couple of years ago and thought it was a good build. But appearances can be deceiving.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Was thought ever given to trialing the FN- Browning HP Double Action?

 

[KevinB]

Okay. Just curious as I had handled one a couple of years ago and thought it was a good build. But appearances can be deceiving.

The QC was pretty spotty, mainly as I saw 3-4 great ones, and around 20 absolute trash ones.

Was thought ever given to trialing the FN- Browning HP Double Action?

Why - the ship has sailed on stuff like that.
No one is going to buy a metal frame pistol with all the costs involved in that for a large entity purchase.
Glock, S&W, Sig etc can pump frames out of a mold in a fraction of the time and cost that a metal pistol can be done, and frankly the polymer frames tend to last longer now too.