Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Based on past performance, what are the odds you'd actually get anything?

Usually 2 deer. Lots of grouse and a few rabbits; rabbits aren't my favorite. I would like more black bear in my freezer though.

 

[ArmyRick]

Nobody should be lighting their hair on fire and going into the woods.

Challenge accepted.

 

[foresterab]

I guess my question is it an option to issue a ticket for a smaller set fine for this offence? $28 Gs seems a little hefty for a first time offence of this nature unless there’s no set fine. Then the judge would have to set the fine with $28 Gs as a maximum.

Looks like the legislation was adjusted in early August where it's a set amount fine - no discretion options.

https://novascotia.ca/just/regulations/regs/2025-160.pdf

Previously it appears it was $180 fine but was adjusted in response to conditions.

https://novascotia.ca/just/regulations/regs/2025-159.pdf

For comparison in Alberta the penalty for entering a closed zone is $600.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/93086b88-01ed-4de8-a206-44716d501912/resource/1cd3351e-b2f9-4ae2-9047-80a5d454674f/download/af-fppa-specified-penalties-2020-04-14.pdf

Or for BC it's $1,150 if I read this right (not my usual circus of legislation)

Wildfire Act and Wildfire Regulation fines

On April 1, 2016, increased fines for a variety of wildfire-related violation tickets came into force.

www2.gov.bc.ca

New Brunswick appears to be a $140 fine for entry into a restricted area + surcharge.

Province of N.B. bans use of Crown land due to fire risk

The province issues a bans all activity on Crown land and asks the public to stay out of the woods given the "unprecedented" wildfire circumstances. The province of New Brunswick has issued

chco.tv

Starting a fire during the ban...those penalties also range widely.

For comparison I use $10,000 per tanker drop/group (so 5 AT-802's or 3 CL-215's or 1 L-188) as a starting point on costs incurred....and that's old math for hand grenade calculations.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It looks like the $28,000 fine in NS extends to walking in woods belonging to your friend, on your friends private property.

Maybe NS will issue stay inside warnings during periods of climate crisis and fine people accordingly.

 

[Quirky]

It looks like the $28,000 fine in NS extends to walking in woods belonging to your friend, on your friends private property.

What's considered "woods"? Density of the forest? What if I'm playing golf and a ball goes into the "woods", can I go look for? I wouldn't want to lose a stroke AND pay $28,000.

 

[lenaitch]

What's considered "woods"? Density of the forest? What if I'm playing golf and a ball goes into the "woods", can I go look for? I wouldn't want to lose a stroke AND pay $28,000.

It seems pretty non-specific. The two sections of their Fire Safety Act relate to the elevated fines that were linked are:

Section 17
- Unless this Act or the regulations otherwise prescribe, every owner of land or premises, or a part thereof, and every person shall take every precaution that is reasonable in the circumstances to achieve fire safety and to carry out the provisions of this Act, the regulations and the Fire Code.

and

Section 44(1)(g)

- fails to comply with an order made pursuant to this Act, the regulations or the Fire Code

I didn't delve into it too deeply but it seems the order can come from a Fire Marshal or Fire Inspector. I would have thought it would be something like a ministerial order affecting public lands. I might be missing something.

The amount cited is the out-of-court 'set fine'. An accused could opt to go to court and if found guilty, receive pretty much any penalty the court decides so long as it is within the limits of the law.

In Ontario, set fines as well as the wordings to be used on an offence notice, are established by the Chief Justice of the Ontario Court of Justice (old 'provincial court') and set in regulations under the Provincial Offences Act.

 

[kratz]

What's considered "woods"? Density of the forest? What if I'm playing golf and a ball goes into the "woods", can I go look for? I wouldn't want to lose a stroke AND pay $28,000.

Part of what complicates lenaitch's response is that NS allows for free access to walk and fish along uncultivated public or private land for recreational proposes., absent current provincial restrictions. This access does not extend to ATVs or other vehicles on private land. Landowners may apply trespass restrictions, but those are challenging.

 

[foresterab]

Part of what complicates lenaitch's response is that NS allows for free access to walk and fish along uncultivated public or private land for recreational proposes., absent current provincial restrictions. This access does not extend to ATVs or other vehicles on private land. Landowners may apply trespass restrictions, but those are challenging.

Thanks for the distinction kratz.

In Alberta private is private. Unoccupied crown lands are normally free to access for recreation and forest closures are only for Crown Lands....if your land borders the Crown Land you're still required to stay off the crown land. This is a very rare condition to be in though and I've only seen it a few times in Extreme conditions in a small portion of province.

Even ATV bans often exempt personal use on personal lands only to cover folks needing them for farming/livestock etc. Using them to pop over the neighbor is when the complaints come in...and crown land use is out unless pre-approved exemptions like farmers.

So many nuances between provincial laws, land jurisdictions and response capacities makes it a challenging one to compare against. On the other hand thankfully we're nowhere as complex as the US states.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What's considered "woods"? Density of the forest? What if I'm playing golf and a ball goes into the "woods", can I go look for? I wouldn't want to lose a stroke AND pay $28,000.

We cant even walk paved trails in the city right now.

Personally, as I said before I am willing to wait this out; I don't really have a choice.

But I think this was silly. People walking their dogs on the mainland commons trails aren't causing fires.

To me what this really shows is our Government hasn't done anything to clean up the forest floors and invest in wild land fire fighting capability so this is their next best move.

I cant totally blame them though, we now have a population that expects their Gov to solve their problems which leads to everything being a priority which means nothing is a priority.

Part of what complicates lenaitch's response is that NS allows for free access to walk and fish along uncultivated public or private land for recreational proposes., absent current provincial restrictions. This access does not extend to ATVs or other vehicles on private land. Landowners may apply trespass restrictions, but those are challenging.

That also includes hunting.

 

[Furniture]

To me what this really shows is our Government hasn't done anything to clean up the forest floors and invest in wild land fire fighting capability so this is their next best move.

After Fiona a couple of years ago, every patch of trees on PEI is absolutely full of well seasoned dead fall. PEI is a tinderbox awaiting a spark, and nobody is doing anything about it.

If the government set aside a few million a year to compensate locals for going out and clearing the dead fall from around their property, it would likely save them a lot of money in the end.

 

[ArmyRick]

After Fiona a couple of years ago, every patch of trees on PEI is absolutely full of well seasoned dead fall. PEI is a tinderbox awaiting a spark, and nobody is doing anything about it.

If the government set aside a few million a year to compensate locals for going out and clearing the dead fall from around their property, it would likely save them a lot of money in the end.

100% agreed. If a wildfire hit my 35-40 acres of forest, it would do some serious damage, I am still cleaning up from the massive ice storm damage at the end of March.

 

[Brad Sallows]

But I think this was silly. People walking their dogs on the mainland commons trails aren't causing fires.

To me what this really shows is our Government hasn't done anything to clean up the forest floors and invest in wild land fire fighting capability so this is their next best move.

Governments are increasingly risk-averse to absurd levels, and the easiest solution to any problem is to forbid whatever might initiate it. People have to get back to accepting risks and demanding less nannyism.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Challenge accepted.

So YOU'RE the guy putting all the finger prints around all those "Wet Paint" signs

 

[daftandbarmy]

But I think this was silly. People walking their dogs on the mainland commons trails aren't causing fires.

Some other dog owners, OTOH

A man trying to cremate his dog sparked a wildfire in Colorado, authorities say - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

NUCLA, Colo. (AP) — Wildfire investigators looking for the cause of blaze in western Colorado last month discovered the partially burned remains of a dog<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

wsvn.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

In other government news, stand by for "Axe the Tax 2.0" when (assuming all continues as it's going) PP returns to the fray ....

Conservatives plan national campaign against federal electric vehicle mandates

OTTAWA - Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has set his sights on Canada's electric vehicle mandate, pledging Thursday that his party will embark on a national campaign to push the Liberal

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Here's the tax PP & Co.'ll want axed:

 

[Halifax Tar]

Some other dog owners, OTOH

A man trying to cremate his dog sparked a wildfire in Colorado, authorities say - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

NUCLA, Colo. (AP) — Wildfire investigators looking for the cause of blaze in western Colorado last month discovered the partially burned remains of a dog<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

wsvn.com

 

[YZT580]

In other government news, stand by for "Axe the Tax 2.0" when (assuming all continues as it's going) PP returns to the fray ....

Conservatives plan national campaign against federal electric vehicle mandates

OTTAWA - Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has set his sights on Canada's electric vehicle mandate, pledging Thursday that his party will embark on a national campaign to push the Liberal

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Here's the tax PP & Co.'ll want axed:
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my local garage has already seen a sharp increase in vehicle makeovers. People are putting serious money into maintaining their current vehicle to a much higher standard than they used to.

 

[Furniture]

In other government news, stand by for "Axe the Tax 2.0" when (assuming all continues as it's going) PP returns to the fray ....

Conservatives plan national campaign against federal electric vehicle mandates

OTTAWA - Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has set his sights on Canada's electric vehicle mandate, pledging Thursday that his party will embark on a national campaign to push the Liberal

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Here's the tax PP & Co.'ll want axed:
View attachment 95163

The base price of a PHEV is $48K+... People can't afford that sort of spending.

It's a relic of a different time, and a different reality.

 

[CBH99]

Soooooo THIS is why US-Canada trade talks have stalled & we are one of the very few countries get to receive a trade deal.

We aren't honouring the one we already have.

Canada’s counter-tariffs ‘pulled the rug out from’ CUSMA, U.S. envoy says - National | Globalnews.ca

So far, Trump has imposed a 35 per cent tariff on all non-free trade Canadian goods, a 50 per cent levy on Canadian steel, aluminum and copper, and is threatening to bring in more.

globalnews.ca

 

[CBH99]

To me what this really shows is our Government hasn't done anything to clean up the forest floors and invest in wild land fire fighting capability so this is their next best move.

The fact that we have enough money to lend China a billion dollars (at a time when they have basically shut their markets off from us) but can't seem to find the money to invest in wild land firefighting capability and capacity honestly feels like criminal level negligence...

This Carney government has been pissing me off the same way the Trudeau/Freeland government did. It smells like the same kind of deliberate bone-headedness - at best.



Wildfires are an issue every single summer in Canada - this isn't new.

Given just how vast our territory is & how much of that is boreal forest, the fact that the federal government seems to be playing whack-a-problem every summer is just depressing.

I think OP Lentus is going to an ongoing annual operation for the foreseeable future.