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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

Initially posted this in the Forest Fires o' the year thread, but thought it felt political enough to bring here.
Interesting whisper-out to the "climate change lockdown" crowd ...
... (Rempel Garner) said she understands the fear Maritimers feel but restricting individuals' movements is "not right." ...
... I'm noticing a significant pickup in activity on the socials about the bans on walking in the woods.

We'll see how hard they press that, and how much pushback they might get - especially from people who fight fires and who have lost property to fires - to at least caressing that button.
 
FWIW…
Initially posted this in the Forest Fires o' the year thread, but thought it felt political enough to bring here.
Interesting whisper-out to the "climate change lockdown" crowd ...

... I'm noticing a significant pickup in activity on the socials about the bans on walking in the woods.

We'll see how hard they press that, and how much pushback they might get - especially from people who fight fires and who have lost property to fires - to at least caressing that button.

FWIW, BC bans access to the forests occasionally during extreme fire seasons...

2017 example... Backcountry closed in the Cariboo
 
FWIW…


FWIW, BC bans access to the forests occasionally during extreme fire seasons...

2017 example... Backcountry closed in the Cariboo
Alberta has done the same in past. However it's a measure of last resort in part due to needing sufficient law enforcement presence to ensure only pre-authorized people are in the closure area (usually limited to industry assuming liability for actions).

It's also further compounded by bad news reporting. Was in Ontario and they talked about a "massive out of control wildfire in cottage country" as breaking news...it's 27 ha total size. But it's close to Toronto and is close enough folks can relate to those fires where as the fires in NW Ontario that have been burning all year might as well be on a different planet. There has also been a large uptick of false fire information this year on sites such as Facebook with images of different fires posted onto "news updates" and/or old news being recycled as "new" updates. Yes...there was a crown fire 2 weeks ago but its' rained since...that's not the conditions today thank you very much Facebook.

Lastly...there just isn't many resources to go around. I'm not sure how many folks total are in the NFLD fire world...I know it's not many. Nova Scotia has more...but it's dozens...not hundreds of staff. PEI...sorry but it's a tiny pool. NB has some capacity but again it's more like dozens of firefighters...not 100's.

A complex fire in the Urban Interface like the ones in Newfoundland and I'd be ordering 100's of men, full IMT's, structural protection units, heavy equipment, a small air fleet....all of which are not available due to the rest of the country also burning.

This shows well what the national picture is like:

To put this back on topic I do question what more the federal gov't could do to provide more services. Maybe some form of chain gang prison labour force to aid similar to CALFIRE (time on fires = time off sentence)? Can they assist with financing of aircraft and training platforms....maybe but they are also doing some of this. Land rehabilitation post fire is overlapping with the existing 2 Billion Tree initiative.

The problem is that when all resources are stretched thin there is little to no slack left....and when there are no events going on everyone cries about government wastage.

Many possible areas (building codes for example) fall into provincial jurisdiction as does resource/forest management. We already have too much overlap over who is responsible for each task between municipalities, provinces and the federal government but some possible ideas are:
1) start reducing the overlap (to clarify decision making processes) and
2) continue work such as the federal funding for the Canadian MODIS fire satellite program which allows national coverage for intelligence roles. 3) CFS (Canadian Forest Service) has done some excellent work on fuel grids for the country some provinces use (remotes sensing derived product)
4) Improve northern infrastructure to allow for better aircraft utilization and/or evacuation points
5) Provide loan garuntees for provincial major capital purchases to reduce interest rates. Note that if it's provincial purchase then it should be purchased by the province
6) Work on reviewing border security visa processes for emergency operations staff and/or add additional credit for immigrants. Currently language counts as a major score boost for immigrants (French or English as 2nd language = 50 points I'm told or 10% of the current threshold). What about key qualifications especially if it's validated here in Canada from previous experience?
 
Backcountry travel restrictions during times of extreme fire hazard an unfortunately increasingly common throughout the West. I don’t know why everyone is lighting their hair on fire out East.
I suspect a lot has to do with how governments handled the pandemic, and the political capital they squandered with overreach.

If the government "gets away" with things like keeping people out of the woods for fires for extended periods of time, how long until they decide to do it to prevent environmental damage from hiking/camping?
 
I suspect a lot has to do with how governments handled the pandemic, and the political capital they squandered with overreach.

If the government "gets away" with things like keeping people out of the woods for fires for extended periods of time, how long until they decide to do it to prevent environmental damage from hiking/camping?
I honestly still don’t get it. It’s like comparing apples to donuts for me. Probably because at various times I’ve seen these restrictions on public lands in place from time to time since the 90’s. 🤷‍♂️
 
I honestly still don’t get it. It’s like comparing apples to donuts for me. Probably because at various times I’ve seen these restrictions on public lands in place from time to time since the 90’s. 🤷‍♂️
The Maritimes aren't accustomed to those sorts of restrictions, so unlike out West, this a "new" phenomenon for them and it's occurring after the pandemic.

Goes back to what I said about political capital. Back in the 90s the government hadn't ordered people to sit at home and not work or socialize.
 
They banned woods access the day we were set to go set up blinds and stands. :(

I'm cool to wait a bit to go in the woods. I just don't want to miss another hunting season.
Based on past performance, what are the odds you'd actually get anything? ;)
 
Backcountry travel restrictions during times of extreme fire hazard an unfortunately increasingly common throughout the West. I don’t know why everyone is lighting their hair on fire out East.
Nobody should be lighting their hair on fire and going into the woods.
 
It's also further compounded by bad news reporting. Was in Ontario and they talked about a "massive out of control wildfire in cottage country" as breaking news...it's 27 ha total size. But it's close to Toronto and is close enough folks can relate to those fires where as the fires in NW Ontario that have been burning all year might as well be on a different planet.
You'll have to forgive the Toronto media; it's . . . well . . . the Toronto media. There are always grass fires in Southern Ontario but I can't recall the last time there was a forest fire in Kawartha Lakes (one of them is outside of what the MNR considers its forest management area. At least the southern Ontario fires are accessible to municipal fire services; something mostly unheard of in the north.

The problem is that when all resources are stretched thin there is little to no slack left....and when there are no events going on everyone cries about government wastage.
In the past, it always seemed that the fire threat moved around from year to year so provinces could share crews, but the past couple of years it seems to be much more widespread (except Quebec which seems to be pretty light).

The provinces complain about federal incursion until they want federal incursion.

We'll see how hard they press that, and how much pushback they might get - especially from people who fight fires and who have lost property to fires - to at least caressing that button.
Well it seems a NS guy decided to ring the bell:


Based on past performance, what are the odds you'd actually get anything? ;)
Oooo . . . burn (in a different, environmentally safe context).
 
You'll have to forgive the Toronto media; it's . . . well . . . the Toronto media. There are always grass fires in Southern Ontario but I can't recall the last time there was a forest fire in Kawartha Lakes (one of them is outside of what the MNR considers its forest management area. At least the southern Ontario fires are accessible to municipal fire services; something mostly unheard of in the north.


In the past, it always seemed that the fire threat moved around from year to year so provinces could share crews, but the past couple of years it seems to be much more widespread (except Quebec which seems to be pretty light).

The provinces complain about federal incursion until they want federal incursion.


Well it seems a NS guy decided to ring the bell:



Oooo . . . burn (in a different, environmentally safe context).

Jeff Evely. Just a few weeks ago he lost his appeal of his criminal convictions from the convoy; he was one of the dudes kicking up a bit of fuss at the War Memorial on the Saturday they all got cleared out, he caught mischief and obstruction convictions for that. Ontario Superior Court just dismissed his appeal in July.

He’s a former MWO and for a few years now has gone around advertising himself as the “Ops Sergeant Major” of ‘Veterans for Freedom’. Ran as a PPC candidate somewhere too.

So yeah… He has his beliefs and makes certain choices accordingly I guess.
 
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