Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[PPCLI Guy]

OK, LPC cheerleaders/CPC haters, who think on your on some high moral ground or an "intellectual" superior (I still laugh at all your weak ass comments), go ahead, have at 'er.

What was the point of this statement?

Is this just bonus vitriol sprinkles?

If so, is it possible to dispense your opinion without said vitriol sprinkles?

 

[ArmyRick]

What was the point of this statement?

Is this just bonus vitriol sprinkles?

If so, is it possible to dispense your opinion without said vitriol sprinkles?

Tough. The first two portions of that post are the meat and potatoes (the point)

What is the point of slagging Pierre for doing his job? Vitriol

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I value the meat and potatoes...but they are completely indigestible when served in a vinegar sauce.

I value your insights, but your tone and tenor lessen that value.

Would it kill you to be if not polite, and least less confrontational?

 

[Altair]

I value the meat and potatoes...but they are completely indigestible when served in a vinegar sauce.

I value your insights, but your tone and tenor lessen that value.

Would it kill you to be if not polite, and least less confrontational?

It might.


Would you like that on your conscience? I wouldn't

 

[Czech_pivo]

Recession not coming? Based on what? The PBO has given a grim outlook.

As for the US election, your COA is hope, literally. Not a valid COA.

The time to actually make Canada resilient was ten years ago, the next best time is now. Not gonna happen, Carney is beholden to the LPC power brokers as opposed to actually leading it in the direction it needs to go. That last line is my opinion not fact. Unlike some, I know what a fact is

Attacking Poilievre for criticizing poor Liberal policies? Criticizing Poor liberal decision making? Attacking Pierre because the CBC told you to?

Funny, Carney speaks to a crowd of university youth and they yawn, look at their phones and clap half heartedly. Pierre spoke to a crowd of youth (albeit Conservative youth) and they listen to every word and cheer loudly.

My prediction is we won't see an election.

OK, LPC cheerleaders/CPC haters, who think on your on some high moral ground or an "intellectual" superior (I still laugh at all your weak ass comments), go ahead, have at 'er.

Enjoy the read

Economic outlook for 2026

• • Modest growth:
    The Bank of Canada forecasts modest GDP growth in 2026, projecting 1.1% and strengthening in the latter half of the year. Some private-sector forecasts are slightly more optimistic, with Deloitte predicting 1.7% growth.
  • Avoiding a deep recession:
    Governor Tiff Macklem stated the Bank is not forecasting a sharp downturn with a big rise in unemployment, which is typical of a severe recession.
  • Risk of sluggishness:
    Despite potential for growth, the economy is expected to remain sluggish, with some analysts warning it is "on the edge of recession" through 2026.

EDIT:

Here’s a 2nd independent source in case you don’t like the first.

Canada’s economy could rebound in 2026 — but there’s a catch: report - National | Globalnews.ca

Canada is projected to record a GDP growth rate of 1.3 per cent in 2025 and tick higher, to 1.7 per cent, in 2026, Deloitte’s fall 2025 economic outlook said.

globalnews.ca

 

[MilEME09]

Enjoy the read

Economic outlook for 2026

• • Modest growth:
    The Bank of Canada forecasts modest GDP growth in 2026, projecting 1.1% and strengthening in the latter half of the year. Some private-sector forecasts are slightly more optimistic, with Deloitte predicting 1.7% growth.
  • Avoiding a deep recession:
    Governor Tiff Macklem stated the Bank is not forecasting a sharp downturn with a big rise in unemployment, which is typical of a severe recession.
  • Risk of sluggishness:
    Despite potential for growth, the economy is expected to remain sluggish, with some analysts warning it is "on the edge of recession" through 2026.

EDIT:

Here’s a 2nd independent source in case you don’t like the first.

Canada’s economy could rebound in 2026 — but there’s a catch: report - National | Globalnews.ca

Canada is projected to record a GDP growth rate of 1.3 per cent in 2025 and tick higher, to 1.7 per cent, in 2026, Deloitte’s fall 2025 economic outlook said.

globalnews.ca

With most economists and critics saying we are headed for a recession, if we avoid it. That would be an economic win for Carney.

Budget day tomorrow, heard a couple rumors today the public sector will be cut by 70k jobs in some way.

 

[Furniture]

Good things elbows up was a slogan not a policy.

That's kinda my whole point... The average voter doesn't read party policy, or debate the merits of how many pages in a policy brochure is dedicated to hard policy. They vote for the party that catches the right vibe for the moment, or to kick out a party they are tired of.

In the case of the last election the LPC out vibed the CPC, and won.

 

[brihard]

Recession not coming? Based on what? The PBO has given a grim outlook.

I looked to find the PBO speaking about recession and was unable to find it. Are you able to point me to it please? The PBO spoke in September about our federal finances and had grim prognostications about a reversal in the improving trend in our debt to GDP ratio, but I didn’t see a GDP forecast from him. I may have missed it?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Good things elbows up was a slogan not a policy.

Kind of like caps not cuts.

 

[Czech_pivo]

With most economists and critics saying we are headed for a recession, if we avoid it. That would be an economic win for Carney.

Budget day tomorrow, heard a couple rumors today the public sector will be cut by 70k jobs in some way.

Canada's economy tracking near-zero growth, but poised to dodge recession

Canada's GDP is on track to grow by 0.4% in the third quarter, Statistics Canada said, positioning the economy to avoid a recession. Read on

financialpost.com

Canada to avoid recession in 2025; economist predicts 'firehose of monetary and fiscal policy support'

Deloitte Canada expects real GDP to gain 1.3% this year, and 1.7% in 2026.

ca.finance.yahoo.com

Weak GDP report unlikely to sway Bank of Canada to more rate cuts: economists

OTTAWA — The Canadian economy was showing more cracks in August, but most economists weighing in on the latest data say they don't think the Bank of Canada will respond with more rate cuts anytime soon.

ca.finance.yahoo.com

 

[Remius]

With most economists and critics saying we are headed for a recession, if we avoid it. That would be an economic win for Carney.

Budget day tomorrow, heard a couple rumors today the public sector will be cut by 70k jobs in some way.

That is the number the union is using. Not sure if it is accurate or not.

I expect lots of job cuts but over time likely. Attrition alone won’t cut it. It will likely be a phased approach if I were to guess. Start with attrition and voluntary retirements then see what is left after that.

 

[RangerRay]

true, but they no longer have a voice so they are becoming increasingly irrelevant. If they abstain they are simply continuing their history as closet liberals. If they vote no they are committing suicide and if they vote yet and it is not a good budget from an NDP perspective they are confirming to the voters that they are simply opportunists trying to pad their pensions. losers no matter what

But they are in literally no position to benefit if they blew up the government. They can do it, but because they are politically incompetent, I wouldn’t put it past them. But if they did that now on this budget, they will be annihilated. Only the dumbest of the hardest-corest Dippers would want to defeat the government now. Voters do not want the government defeated and polls show the Liberals possibly getting a majority if there is an election.

And if the Tories were smart, they wouldn’t want the NDP to be annihilated because they benefit when the NDP is strong.

Unless the pols are completely stupid, we’re not going to an election.

 

[MilEME09]

Unless the pols are completely stupid, we’re not going to an election.

79% of young canadians dont approve of Pierre, he is trailing hard as preferred PM, then force a Christmas election? Almost political suicide

 

[YZT580]

Not of the belief that a recession is coming, a stagnant year for 2026, yes most likely, but I don’t see a recession. I think that if the Supreme Court ruling goes our way, US elections tomorrow trend solidly to the Dems, 2026 might be an ok year.

don't bet on the dems. They seem to be more self-destructive than the cons. party

 

[brihard]

Gotta look at the game theory for the NDP on this.

If they vote against the budget and the CPC vote against the budget, government falls. NDP’s position is unlikely to improve, a they enter the election leadership and rudderless. and the LPC may return with a majority, locking NDP out completely for four years. Even a best case for NDP is exactly what they have now- an LPC minority that the NDP have enough seats to support on a vote by vote basis.

If NDP vote for the budget, they put their stamp on it. Parliament doesn’t change. They burn arguably a bit more credibility than by opposition or abstention.

If NDP abstain, it still passes, NDP’s situation doesn’t change, but they can more defensively argue that the best thing they can do for their constituents is to hold off until they’re in a better position as a party, and extract LPC concession on future issues/ picking their battle while they rebuild.

All of the options suck for the NDP. Abstention probably sucks the least for them, and lets them try to gather some dry powder into the spring and summer, for another kick at the cat in budget 2026.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Gotta look at the game theory for the NDP on this.

If they vote against the budget and the CPC vote against the budget, government falls. NDP’s position is unlikely to improve, a they enter the election leadership and rudderless. and the LPC may return with a majority, locking NDP out completely for four years. Even a best case for NDP is exactly what they have now- an LPC minority that the NDP have enough seats to support on a vote by vote basis.

If NDP vote for the budget, they put their stamp on it. Parliament doesn’t change. They burn arguably a bit more credibility than by opposition or abstention.

If NDP abstain, it still passes, NDP’s situation doesn’t change, but they can more defensively argue that the best thing they can do for their constituents is to hold off until they’re in a better position as a party, and extract LPC concession on future issues/ picking their battle while they rebuild.

All of the options suck for the NDP. Abstention probably sucks the least for them, and lets them try to gather some dry powder into the spring and summer, for another kick at the cat in budget 2026.

So they'll do what is in the opposite of their interests?

 

[Jarnhamar]

I wonder if Singh hated the NDP by the end and just wanted to spite them.

 

[CBH99]

So they'll do what is in the opposite of their interests?

Hasn't that been their whole MO for the last few election cycles?

 

[Halifax Tar]

But they are in literally no position to benefit if they blew up the government. They can do it, but because they are politically incompetent, I wouldn’t put it past them. But if they did that now on this budget, they will be annihilated. Only the dumbest of the hardest-corest Dippers would want to defeat the government now. Voters do not want the government defeated and polls show the Liberals possibly getting a majority if there is an election.

And if the Tories were smart, they wouldn’t want the NDP to be annihilated because they benefit when the NDP is strong.

Unless the pols are completely stupid, we’re not going to an election.

The CPC should be the biggest contributor to the NDP at the moment. If I was Stephen Barber Id drop in a cold 5 mil right now and help them out.

 

[Remius]

The CPC should be the biggest contributor to the NDP at the moment. If I was Stephen Barber Id drop in a cold 5 mil right now and help them out.

And then promptly be charged with violating the elections act.