A Deeply Fractured US

[PPCLI Guy]

Concealed carry is legal in Minnesota so nothing wrong with a person carrying as they go about their business. However, while legal I think that common sense would suggest that if you are planning on confronting armed law enforcement officers...

Daily carry is a real thing for a lot of Americans. They simply don't leave the house unarmed, irrespective of their plans for the day. Perhaps you meant when in a city with confrontational armed law enforcement officers...

 

[OldSolduer]

Daily carry is a real thing for a lot of Americans. They simply don't leave the house unarmed, irrespective of their plans for the day. Perhaps you meant when in a city with confrontational armed law enforcement officers...

Seen it in Minnesota in the Bass Pro Shop. Shirl was quite inquisitive about it, and thought "what would happen if someone tried to take it?"

 

[RangerRay]

These goons are out of fucking control. And their bosses are encouraging it.

 

[McG]

And this is unfortunately true:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015139823728636223

Here in Canada too, there are people fetishizing a US annexation so they can carry guns here and will unashamedly blame the US citizen for possessing a gun in this incident.

 

[HavokFour]

Grey coat with the gun, before the shooting starts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the

For reference:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015115351797780500

 

[Altair]

And this is unfortunately true:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015139823728636223

Here in Canada too, there are people fetishizing a US annexation so they can carry guns here and will unashamedly blame the US citizen for possessing a gun in this incident.

It's why I don't take the gun lobby people seriously.

 

[Altair]

Grey coat with the gun, before the shooting starts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the

For reference:

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2015115351797780500

Facts don't matter, the supporters of ICE have their party line down now.

 

[Cloud Cover]

It's why I don't take the gun lobby people seriously.

Oh I do. I really, really take those 2A zealots seriously.

 

[PrairieFella]

Tough to gauge. What did the officer see and react to? It had a look and feel to me of the officer perceived that the subject was accessing a gun and reacted to that. Any subsequent shots would have to be justified; if the person had and was still holding a gun and the officer believed there was still a threat, that may be articulable and lawful.

I no longer give ICE/CBP benefit of the doubt; I will not assume it was a good shoot til proven so. I want to know what the evidence shows.

Looked like an absolute shitshow of a ground fight. I want to know what kind of training those officers had. With that said, a subject proned on the ground who really wants to get their hands under them and access something is hard to stop from doing so.

EDIT TO ADD: Another quick rewatch on a small phone screen, even if he was armed those last 4-5 shots will be tough to justify.

There are slowed and zoomed videos going around where you can see grey sweater pull the 320 out of waistband holster on the subject, afterwards they blow him away.

If grey sweater was the first shot, the numbskull may have NDed with the disarmed pistol.

This shit is out of control and Minneapolis may be about to explode. A threshold really seems to have been crossed. Talking to some friends from Minn being a Manitoban, the vibe is even more tense than during George Floyd. Unfortunately I think the death is just beginning at this point. I hope sincerely Im wrong.

 

[FSTO]

zero discipline with the ICE agents coupled with a command chain who will back every play to the hilt equals murder without remorse.

 

[HavokFour]

Bravo to these two ladies, however this is the message ICE is sending out to everyone else (and the other event today) and appears to be "don't help us under any circumstances". It also doesn't sound like the barest of bare first aid is covered in the few weeks of training they get, guns however...

More on Alex Pretti, an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA.

ICU nurse fatally shot by federal agent remembered as 'kind-hearted soul'

The 37-year-old nurse cared deeply about the veterans he cared for and the community he lived in, his family and relatives of his patients say.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Eaglelord17]

DHS is saying he had a handgun and two magazines. Whatever you think of ICE and their tactics I don't think carrying a concealed weapon (if true) while you are planning to confront armed law enforcement officers is a very wise decision.

You’re right, with how that crowd is acting I would bring a few buddies and long guns. Considering they are murdering citizens doing lawful activities, if the police aren’t going to stop them then the obligation falls on you.

 

[ModlrMike]

DHS is saying he had a handgun and two magazines. Whatever you think of ICE and their tactics I don't think carrying a concealed weapon (if true) while you are planning to confront armed law enforcement officers is a very wise decision.

From the video, it looks like ICE walked up on him. Filming is neither confronting nor obstructing.

 

[HavokFour]

If grey sweater was the first shot, the numbskull may have NDed with the disarmed pistol.

EDIT: Ongoing debate, here's a slowed down video (ignore the title OP used).

I don't think it was Pretti's weapon that went off, slide isn't moving at all. Agent in the background's pants make it easy enough to see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlz1kn/you_can_see_the_gun_discharge_as_the_first_shot

 

[RangerRay]

From the video, it looks like ICE walked up on him. Filming is neither confronting nor obstructing.

If I’m operating within my powers and authorities, they can film me all they want.

There’s a reason these goons don’t want you filming. And it’s not because they are operating legally or ethically.

 

[McG]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155535142703245

 

[ModlrMike]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

Blue on blue?

 

[HavokFour]

New video, ICE searching for the gun that was already removed from Mr. Pretti's person before they opened fire on him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qm0egw/ice_asks_wheres_the_gun_not_realizing_one_of_them

 

[Lumber]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155535142703245

Does he say in the video that it's to counter ICE? I don't think it even COULD work that way. More likely he's deploying the national guard because he foresees the people devolving into complete pandemonium and lawlessness over this.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155535142703245

Back in 2024 the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania ran a scenario very similar to what is know happening in Minnesota where there was a conflict between State and Federal authorities and the outcome was Civil War.

More from the Guardian:

We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start | Claire Finkelstein

Developments in Minnesota closely mirror a scenario explored in a 2024 exercise conducted at the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania, which I direct

www.theguardian.com

Now this was just one scenario run by one Think Tank so it should be taken with a grain of salt. On the other hand, like you say, things could go south very quickly.