A Deeply Fractured US

[Lumber]

Not that I think this is going to actually happen (I hope), especially considering Banon is just taking out of his ass (as usual), but it got me thinking. US elections are known for having long lines. What if during the next election, ICE sticks to its current tactic if racially profiling people and starts nabbing random Latinos from polling lines?

It's a terrifying thought. I mean, the law regarding it doesn't matter: they don't give a damn about the law. But what about the follow on effects? Scary thought.

Steve Bannon says ICE will ‘surround the polls’ as Trump doubles down on taking over elections

Trump doubled down on his comments to nationalize voting Tuesday during an Oval Office press conference. “If you think about it, a state is an agent for the federal government in elections,” Trump said. “I don’t know why the federal government doesn’t do them anyway.”

www.democracydocket.com

 

[ModlrMike]

Not that I think this is going to actually happen (I hope), especially considering Banon is just taking out of his ass (as usual), but it got me thinking. US elections are known for having long lines. What if during the next election, ICE sticks to its current tactic if racially profiling people and starts nabbing random Latinos from polling lines?

It's a terrifying thought. I mean, the law regarding it doesn't matter: they don't give a damn about the law. But what about the follow on effects? Scary thought.

I think this is exactly the tactic they're counting on. Make going to vote too perilous to risk the chance of apprehension, notwithstanding your legal status. ICE can arrest you, and take hours to days to release you, well past the point where the polls have closed. I would expect an ICE surge in districts expected to flip from red to blue. I hope the ACLU and the individual states seek a federal injunction. Not that I have any confidence that POTUS or ICE would actually obey it.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I think this is exactly the tactic they're counting on. Make going to vote too perilous to risk the chance of apprehension, notwithstanding your legal status. ICE can arrest you, and take hours to days to release you, well past the point where the polls have closed. I would expect an ICE surge in districts expected to flip from red to blue. I hope the ACLU and the individual states seek a federal injunction. Not that I have any confidence that POTUS or ICE would actually obey it.

Given that "illegals" do not have the right to vote (and so will not be in line at polling stations) this will be about intimidation rather than enforcement

 

[daftandbarmy]

Truth, on social …

1.9K views · 27K reactions | #maga #trump #tariffs | Trevor Poutine

#maga #trump #tariffs

www.facebook.com

 

[HavokFour]

Another leak, and a look at how low the bar is now for the DHS to take even the most passive interests into someone.

Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

Leak show feds tracking anti-ICE Reddit users like "Budget-Chicken-2425"

www.kenklippenstein.com

 

[RangerRay]

Yes, SO many criminals being deported…

Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows

The official DHS statistics, which had not been previously reported, provide the most detailed look yet into who ICE has arrested during the Trump administration's crackdown.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[RangerRay]

This is banana republic shit right here. Minnesota’s US Attorney offices self-emptied as a result.

Prosecutors Began Investigating Renee Good’s Killing. Washington Told Them to Stop.

Federal prosecutors had a warrant to collect evidence from Ms. Good’s vehicle, but Trump administration leaders said to drop it. About a dozen prosecutors have departed, leaving the Minnesota U.S. attorney’s office in turmoil.

www.nytimes.com

Hours after an immigration agent fatally shot Renee Good inside her S.U.V. on a Minneapolis street last month, a senior federal prosecutor in Minnesota sought a warrant to search the vehicle for evidence in what he expected would be a standard civil rights investigation into the agent’s use of force.

The prosecutor, Joseph H. Thompson, wrote in an email to colleagues that the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, a state agency that specializes in investigating police shootings, would team up with the F.B.I. to determine whether the shooting had been justified and lawful or had violated Ms. Good’s civil rights.

But later that week, as F.B.I. agents equipped with a signed warrant prepared to document blood spatter and bullet holes in Ms. Good’s S.U.V., they received orders to stop, according to several people with knowledge of the events who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

The orders, they said, came from senior officials, including Kash Patel, the F.B.I. director, several of whom worried that pursuing a civil rights investigation — by using a warrant obtained on that basis — would contradict President Trump’s claim that Ms. Good “violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer” who fired at her as she drove her vehicle.

Several of the career federal prosecutors in Minnesota, including Mr. Thompson, balked at the new approach, which they viewed as legally dubious and incendiary in a state where anger over a federal immigration crackdown was already boiling over. Mr. Thompson and five others left the office in protest, setting off a broader wave of resignations that has left Minnesota’s U.S. attorney’s office severely understaffed and in crisis. Officials have not said whether they ultimately obtained a new warrant to search the vehicle.

From an office of about 25 criminal litigators, gone are the top prosecutors who had overseen a sprawling, yearslong investigationinto fraud in Minnesota’s social services programs, which the White House months ago cited as a reason for the immigration crackdown in the state

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yes, SO many criminals being deported…

Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows

The official DHS statistics, which had not been previously reported, provide the most detailed look yet into who ICE has arrested during the Trump administration's crackdown.

www.cbsnews.com

Violent Criminals. Illegal Aliens are illegal too, just not violent. And yes someone who is in a country illegally should be ejected.

 

[PrairieFella]

Violent Criminals. Illegal Aliens are illegal too, just not violent. And yes someone who is in a country illegally should be ejected.

It is not illegal to enter a country unauthorized for the purposes of seeking asylum per the Refugee Convention of 1951. The USA is a party to the 1967 protocol.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It is not illegal to enter a country unauthorized for the purposes of seeking asylum per the Refugee Convention of 1951. The USA is a party to the 1967 protocol.

To seek asylum you must claim asylum. Not enter a country and hide and leech off of tax payer resources.

You also have one year upon entry to make that claim in the USA.

 

[Czech_pivo]

To seek asylum you must claim asylum. Not enter a country and hide and leech off of tax payer resources.

You also have one year upon entry to make that claim in the USA.

Again, to address the issue of illegal immigrants - both in US and Canada - the authorities need to detain, charge, fine and imprison all companies and individuals who knowingly employ illegals. Reduce/remove the employment opportunities and the numbers of illegals coming into both countries to work illegally will dramatically drop.

 

[Eaglelord17]

To seek asylum you must claim asylum. Not enter a country and hide and leech off of tax payer resources.

You also have one year upon entry to make that claim in the USA.

Considering how much they contribute to the US economy I wouldn’t consider it leeching. Approximately 75% of them are working as opposed to 62.5% of Americans.

They are also working for less money than Americans with less rights and safety rules because a lot of Americans take advantage of that illegal status to exploit them and use them in ways they cannot a US citizen.

They pay approximately 100bn a year in taxes for a system they can’t take advantage of.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Again, to address the issue of illegal immigrants - both in US and Canada - the authorities need to detain, charge, fine and imprison all companies and individuals who knowingly employ illegals. Reduce/remove the employment opportunities and the numbers of illegals coming into both countries to work illegally will dramatically drop.

I didn't say I liked the way the US was going about this. But I fully support the deportation of people who illegally enter a country or are illegally in a country, having over stayed their permissions.

Go after the companies who are abusing this as well, absolutely. Both can and should be done.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Considering how much they contribute to the US economy I wouldn’t consider it leeching. Approximately 75% of them are working as opposed to 62.5% of Americans.

They are also working for less money than Americans with less rights and safety rules because a lot of Americans take advantage of that illegal status to exploit them and use them in ways they cannot a US citizen.

They pay approximately 100bn a year in taxes for a system they can’t take advantage of.

No one knows exactly how many illegal aliens are in the USA. Its estimated at 11 - 14 Millions by my googling.

I don't put much weight in stats when the base line cant even be confirmed.

 

[Brad Sallows]

To seek asylum you must claim asylum. Not enter a country and hide and leech off of tax payer resources.

You also have one year upon entry to make that claim in the USA.

That's longer that I might have expected.

Some of the people accused of recent extortion activities in BC supposedly are claiming refugee status.

A person intending to legitimately claim refugee status should make that claim pretty much immediately on their first contact with any agent of government - at any level, it being possible to pass information along - after entering a country. Ordinarily this would be within a matter of minutes/hours - most people are intercepted crossing a border. And all of the people working to provide refugee assistance (food, shelter, legal advice, etc) would know this and help to ensure the claims are made. I can't conceive of a policy that should allow someone wanting to claim refugee status to hide out for more than a month before a claim is statutorily deemed inadmissible.

 

[Furniture]

Considering how much they contribute to the US economy I wouldn’t consider it leeching. Approximately 75% of them are working as opposed to 62.5% of Americans.

They are also working for less money than Americans with less rights and safety rules because a lot of Americans take advantage of that illegal status to exploit them and use them in ways they cannot a US citizen.

Have you considered that your second para might explain the discrepancy between the two statistics you quoted in your first para.

Anytime you import cheap labour from elsewhere, it will disincentivize hiring local people who will demand their rights, and expect to be paid a decent wage. It's the same as the TFW problem in Canada, only without the government's sanction of indentured servitude...

 

[mariomike]

6 weeks or less of training and...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011099752059060412

You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.

What happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them, and sending them into the streets? We're all finding out.

slate.com

Saw this about ICE training,

Training shortened, but reports vary on how much​

Has US ICE officer training been reduced to 47 days?

ICE shooting has renewed questions over shortened training under Trump and how it may affect agent readiness.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Whoa...

British graduate, 23, was shot dead by her alcoholic father in bedroom of his Texas home hours after they had argued about Donald Trump, inquest hears

A British graduate who was passionately anti-guns was shot dead by her alcoholic father at his Texas home just hours after they had an argument about Donald Trump, an inquest was told today.

Lucy Harrison, 23, from Warrington, Cheshire, was killed as she prepared to fly home on January 10, 2025 following a post-Christmas break accompanied by her boyfriend.

A police report found she died of a gunshot wound to the heart after being 'shot by another person' from a 'medium range' at the house in Prosper, Texas, but a grand jury found that no one should be prosecuted.

Truth about death of British graduate shot dead in Texas

A manslaughter investigation was launched after Lucy Harrison, 23, from Warrington, Cheshire, was killed at her father Kris's house in Prosper, Texas, on January 10, 2025.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Considering how much they contribute to the US economy I wouldn’t consider it leeching. Approximately 75% of them are working as opposed to 62.5% of Americans.

They are also working for less money than Americans with less rights and safety rules because a lot of Americans take advantage of that illegal status to exploit them and use them in ways they cannot a US citizen.

They pay approximately 100bn a year in taxes for a system they can’t take advantage of.

This is why it's been a hard fight to deal with the issue. Whole sectors of industries are built around exploiting the illegals. The US needs to offer amnesty to those that have been there for years, working and staying out of trouble. Securing the border is a must. A proper immigration and robust guest worker program is also necessary.

 

[RangerRay]

Violent Criminals. Illegal Aliens are illegal too, just not violent. And yes someone who is in a country illegally should be ejected.

No issue with deporting those in the country illegally.

However, the Administration is saying they are only going after the “hardened violent criminals” and use that to justify the aggressive tactics and budget greater than the USMC.

Being in the US illegally is a civil offence, not a criminal offence.