A Deeply Fractured US

[suffolkowner]

No issue with deporting those in the country illegally.

However, the Administration is saying they are only going after the “hardened violent criminals” and use that to justify the aggressive tactics and budget greater than the USMC.

Being in the US illegally is a civil offence, not a criminal offence.

civil to be there illegally but criminal for entering illegally?

 

[Eaglelord17]

Have you considered that your second para might explain the discrepancy between the two statistics you quoted in your first para.

Anytime you import cheap labour from elsewhere, it will disincentivize hiring local people who will demand their rights, and expect to be paid a decent wage. It's the same as the TFW problem in Canada, only without the government's sanction of indentured servitude...

To be clear I am against exploiting them. That being said I would consider anyone who has been in the US for years, contributed to the economy and dealt with the illegal treatment to be more deserving of American citizenship than the Americans who exploited them in the first place.

Basically it is the ultimate test for someone becoming a citizen, if they stayed out of trouble, worked and payed taxes is that not exactly who you would want as a citizen?

This is why it's been a hard fight to deal with the issue. Whole sectors of industries are built around exploiting the illegals. The US needs to offer amnesty to those that have been there for years, working and staying out of trouble. Securing the border is a must. A proper immigration and robust guest worker program is also necessary.

100%

My personal stance is criminals deported, illegals offered amnesty and a path to citizenship, citizens employing illegals jailed. The problem would solve itself very quickly that way.

But refusing to address those who exploit them will mean the problem won’t resolve itself.

It’s like declaring slavery illegal but only punishing the slaves for being slaves, not the slave owners for taking them in the first place.

 

[HavokFour]

We now have body cam footage of the incident last year where a woman who is a US citizen was shot 5 times.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021767683319247292

 

[daftandbarmy]

It's a 'blankey' not a 'blanket'

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022139774539088094

 

[brihard]

It's a 'blankey' not a 'blanket'

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022139774539088094

Homeland Security Blanket

 

[RangerRay]

From another thread:

They have a retention problem. A lot of the people signing up (for ICE) are bailing because that 20-50k bonus as it turns out only materializes after 5 years.

This situation worries me. You have an aggressive, armed, most likely very partisan but poorly screened and trained paramilitary goon squad larger than the USMC not getting their bonus until after the 2026 congressional and 2028 presidential elections. If the Republicans lose those elections, there’s a better than even chance that these guys will not get their bonus and will be out of the best job they ever had. These “agents” will be very motivated to play a role in ensuring that the elections result in only one way, and the president has made no bones putting his hand on the scale. Don’t be surprised if we see the Praetorian Guard play a role in the upcoming elections.

 

[mariomike]

It's a 'blankey' not a 'blanket'

The Post says it was Corey fired the pilot.

 

[RangerRay]

The Post says it was Corey fired the pilot.

I think Krirey is singular now, like Bennifer.

 

[HavokFour]

The shooting in question was the first to happen after the Renee Good incident, about a week after.

DOJ drops charges against two men accused of attacking federal agent in ICE shooting • Minnesota Reformer

The U.S. Department of Justice, citing evidence inconsistent with its earlier allegations, dropped felony charges against two men accused of assaulting a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent before the agent shot one of the men in the leg. U.S. Attorney Daniel Rosen wrote in a brief...

minnesotareformer.com

ICE says 2 of its officers may have lied under oath about shooting migrant in Minnesota

The acting head of ICE says two officers appear to have made "untruthful statements" about shooting a migrant in Minnesota and may face federal charges.

abcnews.com

 

[PrairieFella]

From another thread:



This situation worries me. You have an aggressive, armed, most likely very partisan but poorly screened and trained paramilitary goon squad larger than the USMC not getting their bonus until after the 2026 congressional and 2028 presidential elections. If the Republicans lose those elections, there’s a better than even chance that these guys will not get their bonus and will be out of the best job they ever had. These “agents” will be very motivated to play a role in ensuring that the elections result in only one way, and the president has made no bones putting his hand on the scale. Don’t be surprised if we see the Praetorian Guard play a role in the upcoming elections.

Thats probably the point.

 

[ytz]

Department of War directing military personnel not to attend America's most prestigious universities was not on my 2026 list.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022376410019487754

This is not a small matter. We just started sending a Canadian to join Space Force JPME at Johns Hopkins last year. Second one is there now.

https://sais.jhu.edu/admissions/mas...schriever-west-space-scholars-program-ile-sle

Guess this is out now.


“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Sir William Francis Butler

 

[ytz]

I can hear the laughter from the PLA's HQ from here.....

 

[PrairieFella]

Department of War directing military personnel not to attend America's most prestigious universities was not on my 2026 list.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022376410019487754

This is not a small matter. We just started sending a Canadian to join Space Force JPME at Johns Hopkins last year. Second one is there now.

https://sais.jhu.edu/admissions/mas...schriever-west-space-scholars-program-ile-sle

Guess this is out now.


“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Sir William Francis Butler

An out-there question but on the technological side of the house does this give our institutions the wiggle room to try and poach professors and students, especially your wheelhouse in space-related fields? If the Americans are going to retreat from the cutting edge of educational attainment, can we try to claim it? We have some establishedcompanies like Telesat and MDA and some new players like Nordspace doing some really interesting things.

 

[GR66]

Department of War directing military personnel not to attend America's most prestigious universities was not on my 2026 list.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022376410019487754

This is not a small matter. We just started sending a Canadian to join Space Force JPME at Johns Hopkins last year. Second one is there now.

https://sais.jhu.edu/admissions/mas...schriever-west-space-scholars-program-ile-sle

Guess this is out now.


“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Sir William Francis Butler

I don't think it would affect the JPME program. If you read the email in the X post it is specifically from the JAG Recruiting Office about candidates for the FLEP/UFLEP (Funded/Unfunded Legal Education Programs).

I guess the US JAG doesn't want law students going to law schools that might question the legality of some of the recent actions of the US Administration.

I don't see this affecting any other US military educational programs.

 

[ytz]

I don't think it would affect the JPME program. If you read the email in the X post it is specifically from the JAG Recruiting Office about candidates for the FLEP/UFLEP (Funded/Unfunded Legal Education Programs).

I guess the US JAG doesn't want law students going to law schools that might question the legality of some of the recent actions of the US Administration.

I don't see this affecting any other US military educational programs.

I have real doubts. Let's see if that program survives. Hegseth bros were complaining about War Colleges teaching about climate change. Gee I wonder why a navy might want to think about how sea level rise could impact operations. When they see MIT as woke, you know where this is going .....

It's very easy for them to decide that programs like JPME should stop being strict academic programs and simply become box ticking online courses.....like so much of our DLN courses. That is not going to make the US military stronger. Anybody who has had even cursory interactions with American senior officers and GOFOs will tell you that for the most part their intellectual depth is notable. That's a strength. And it's the difference between an army and an organized mob that you see in authoritarian countries.

 

[brihard]

Department of War directing military personnel not to attend America's most prestigious universities was not on my 2026 list.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022376410019487754

This is not a small matter. We just started sending a Canadian to join Space Force JPME at Johns Hopkins last year. Second one is there now.

https://sais.jhu.edu/admissions/mas...schriever-west-space-scholars-program-ile-sle

Guess this is out now.


“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Sir William Francis Butler

Diana bit of googling of acronyms. The email shown in the screenshots seems to just be talking about US army funded law school, which is a small number of people. Does this ‘blacklist’ go broader than just funded legal education?

I mean, still super dumb, but scope matters.

EDIT TO ADD: And that’s what I get for not clicking ‘show recent posts’ when bashing out a delayed reply.

 

[GR66]

I have real doubts. Let's see if that program survives. Hegseth bros were complaining about War Colleges teaching about climate change. Gee I wonder why a navy might want to think about how sea level rise could impact operations. When they see MIT as woke, you know where this is going .....

It's very easy for them to decide that programs like JPME should stop being strict academic programs and simply become box ticking online courses.....like so much of our DLN courses. That is not going to make the US military stronger. Anybody who has had even cursory interactions with American senior officers and GOFOs will tell you that for the most part their intellectual depth is notable. That's a strength. And it's the difference between an army and an organized mob that you see in authoritarian countries.

I'm not suggesting that this type of stupidity might not expand in the USA of 2026 but just noting that your comment "Guess this is out now" regarding JPME at Johns Hopkins based on the posted email does not seem accurate.

 

[ytz]

An out-there question but on the technological side of the house does this give our institutions the wiggle room to try and poach professors and students, especially your wheelhouse in space-related fields? If the Americans are going to retreat from the cutting edge of educational attainment, can we try to claim it? We have some establishedcompanies like Telesat and MDA and some new players like Nordspace doing some really interesting things.

Takes money and intentionality and a deliberate strategy. Some of this is coming. But it would take a lot more. And this is actually part of the idea of developing a sovereign strategy. There's even talk where Five Eyes just becomes the non-US Four Eyes working together more (basically CANZUK) and the Americans plug and play where they want. As opposed to Five Eyes being US centric like today. But again, something that has evolved to where it is today over decades can't be undone in years.

 

[ytz]

Diana bit of googling of acronyms. The email shown in the screenshots seems to just be talking about US army funded law school, which is a small number of people. Does this ‘blacklist’ go broader than just funded legal education?

I mean, still super dumb, but scope matters.

EDIT TO ADD: And that’s what I get for not clicking ‘show recent posts’ when bashing out a delayed reply.

I'm not suggesting that this type of stupidity might not expand in the USA of 2026 but just noting that your comment "Guess this is out now" regarding JPME at Johns Hopkins based on the posted email does not seem accurate.

The email is a blacklist of schools across a broad set of programs under the umbrella of funded education. Their JAG Corps is sending out instructions to legal aspirants citing the broader restrictions here.

 

[brihard]

The email is a blacklist of schools across a broad set of programs under the umbrella of funded education. Their JAG Corps is sending out instructions to legal aspirants citing the broader restrictions here.

Got it. So would this same list be blacklisting schools for other graduate studies too? No more Space Force or Air Force going to MIT, no more officers doing a masters in International Relations at Harvard? No military doctors doing advanced studies at Johns Hopkins?