The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Furniture]

According to the Tracy Wilson's FB page, the first collection details are starting to come out.

Tracy Wilson

Look like you have 5 business days to respond, and pick a date/time for drop-off.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Take a look at this Indictment. It’s very probable these 3 were attempting to smuggle the firearms into Canada for a more sinister purpose than regular drug crimes.
In particular, what border crossing were they heading to and how did they plan to get the weapons across?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/media/1440191/dl

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/2056850239521169829

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Courtesy of the CSSA

Amnesty extension



The Government of Canada has just announced an extension to the firearms amnesty period, now set to expire 90 days after the Supreme Court of Canada delivers its decision on the appeal of the 2020 assault-style firearms ban.

While this extension provides continued protection for responsible firearms owners and businesses, it also prolongs the uncertainty facing our community.
The Canadian Shooting Sports Association urges all members to stay informed and be prepared as the legal process unfolds.
We remain committed to defending the rights of lawful firearms owners and will continue to advocate for fair, evidence-based policies.
Thank you to everyone who has spoken up and supported our efforts—your voices matter now more than ever.
Stay tuned for updates as we monitor the Supreme Court’s proceedings and the future of the Assault-Style Firearms Compensation Program.

 

[Haggis]

As posted above, the amnesty for lawful owners of assault style firearms has been extended yet again but the program is still alive.

This tells me that the GoC expects to win in the SCC.

Until then, collection and disposal operations will continue and will likely accelerate to ensure as many firearms as possible are destroyed before the SCC could reverse the bans.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting, indeed ...

Most crime guns traced by RCMP came from within Canada, internal reports say

The vast majority of crime guns traced by the RCMP to identifiable sources in 2023 and 2024 came from within Canada and were not smuggled from abroad, say internal reports prepared by the national police force.

www.ctvnews.ca

... with this from the Canadian Press report:

Report seems to appear on the "completed ATIP requests" for PS Canada - will share when I get a copy.

Wonder how soon we'll see ATIP/equivalent requests for similar reports from ON & QC?

Interesting take (or add-on nuance?) compared to the "all those illegal firearms flooding in from the U.S." narrative.

 

[dapaterson]

So one third could not have their source tracked. Of those sourced, handguns make up one quarter. Two thirds of sourced handguns were smuggled into the country.

The elephant in the room is the one third that could not be tracked.

 

[OldSolduer]

As posted above, the amnesty for lawful owners of assault style firearms has been extended yet again but the program is still alive.

This tells me that the GoC expects to win in the SCC.

Until then, collection and disposal operations will continue and will likely accelerate to ensure as many firearms as possible are destroyed before the SCC could reverse the bans.

But I’m not dead yet!! I feel happy!!

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting, indeed ...

Most crime guns traced by RCMP came from within Canada, internal reports say

The vast majority of crime guns traced by the RCMP to identifiable sources in 2023 and 2024 came from within Canada and were not smuggled from abroad, say internal reports prepared by the national police force.

www.ctvnews.ca

... with this from the Canadian Press report:
View attachment 100724
Report seems to appear on the "completed ATIP requests" for PS Canada - will share when I get a copy.

Wonder how soon we'll see ATIP/equivalent requests for similar reports from ON & QC?

Interesting take (or add-on nuance?) compared to the "all those illegal firearms flooding in from the U.S." narrative.

I wonder if "domestically sourced"


Includes these

 

[Jarnhamar]

Looks like the RCMP includes airguns and replica guns in their definitions. Not surprised to see those being "domestically sourced".

 

[Haggis]

Looks like the RCMP includes airguns and replica guns in their definitions. Not surprised to see those being "domestically sourced".

Correct. From the article:

The RCMP centre defines crime guns as firearms that were used or suspected to have been used in criminal offences, guns whose serial numbers have been obliterated or altered, firearms that were found but not reported lost or stolen, and replicas, toys, 3D-printed guns, pellet or air guns that have been used in criminal offences.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The CCFRs response:

Sloppy data results in misinformation re: crime guns - Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights

There’s a story out this morning from Jim Bronskill from the Canadian Press that made me rise an eyebrow as it goes against everything we know from law enforcement and the data. It states that 71% of RCMP traced crime guns are domestically sourced. That was shocking to read so we did a little...

firearmrights.ca

 

[Haggis]

The CCFRs response:

Sloppy data results in misinformation re: crime guns - Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights

There’s a story out this morning from Jim Bronskill from the Canadian Press that made me rise an eyebrow as it goes against everything we know from law enforcement and the data. It states that 71% of RCMP traced crime guns are domestically sourced. That was shocking to read so we did a little...

firearmrights.ca

So, what?

The damage has been done. A reputable (in they eyes of most) MSM outlet has published the government's "facts". Anything the "gun lobby" responds with to refute that is just damage control that will cost lives on Canadian streets and schoolyards every day.

I dare the CCFR, CSSA or NFA to demand a correction. It's won't be done and even if they did the MSM would counter with "our story is technically accurate and based on government sources".

Write your SCC justices to day to demand they uphold the bans.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So, what?

The damage has been done. A reputable (in they eyes of most) MSM outlet has published the government's "facts". Anything the "gun lobby" responds with to refute that is just damage control that will cost lives on Canadian streets and schoolyards every day.

I dare the CCFR, CSSA or NFA to demand a correction. It's won't be done and even if they did the MSM would counter with "our story is technically accurate and based on government sources".

Write your SCC justices to day to demand they uphold the bans.

I don't know if your problem is with me or the firearms community as a whole.

 

[Haggis]

I don't know if your problem is with me or the firearms community as a whole.

For too long the firearms community (aside from hunters) has lived in the shadow, not wanting to draw attention to ourselves. Our former club president was dead set against putting a sign at the gate to our facility to let people know we existed. Kind of a "Fight Club" mentailty.

Now, we find ourselves faced with a hostile government and a well funded anti-gun lobby which is skilled at public and media manipulation. They drag us into the light to equate us with gangsters, OMGs and VEs. and we are poorly equipped and inexperienced to effectively counter that. They are adept at seizing the initiative at every opportunity thus leaving us on the defensive..

That's the biggest problem we face as a community. So, no, HT, it's not you. it's us.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting data

https://twitter.com/x/status/2066551734722498942