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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

NavyShooter said:
Considering the average Canadian Gun Owner from 30+ years ago probably has the following in their collection:

.22 Cooey
12 Gauge break action Shotgun
.303 Sporter from Grandpa
.410 Gauge to teach the kids
+1 nice hunting rifle with scope

And most of those owners are the ones who never registered with the original registry, many never converted from the FAC to the PAL, they probably have felt no need to do anything since this is all they have/need and they just go hunting once a year, or shoot in the hunting camp.

One of their buddies has a PAL so he buys the ammo for them.

The guns the have are reliable so they don't need to get them fixed.

I'm sure we all know a couple of them.

A 'new' firearms owner in Canada from the past 10 years or so will typically have the following in their collection:

Ruger 10/22
12 Gauge Pump Shotgun
SKS
Cooey they got from some relative for cheap
AR-180/equivalent (non-Restricted Semi-Auto .223)
Bolt Action Ruger American in .223 or 7.62x39

I know of very few gun owners that have only a single gun. They're like Pringles - once you pop, you just can't stop.

Take 2 million, multiply by 5, and you've got 10 million guns.

We all know there's more than that.

As for the 'unknown' number of formerly non-restricted now prohibited rifles of 1500+ makes/models, there is a reasonable estimate of their being almost 2 million of them.
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Also need to factor non compliance with earlier law changes. I knew a number of folks who registered one AR-15 when they went from non restricted to restricted in 1994, and kept 3-4 for ‘a rainy day’.

Then there were a ton of ‘deactivated’ AR receivers sold that had a pin welded through a take down pin hole.

Ironically most of the early non compilers I knew were either RCMP members or local LEO’s. Reasonable fear of the government, and a F you I bought this legally sort of attitude. Not having been in Canada for 2 decades I have no idea what the situation is like now.
 
We had that discussion around the table in the late 90s....like...there were import records showing that 50K+ AR-15's were imported to Canada between 1978 and 1992....but with the initial stand-up of the restricted firearm registry back then, only ~20K AR's were registered by owners.

Where did the others go...? The looks around the table after a day at the range shooting AR's were...telling....
 
NavyShooter said:
Considering the average Canadian Gun Owner from 30+ years ago probably has the following in their collection:

.22 Cooey
12 Gauge break action Shotgun
.303 Sporter from Grandpa
.410 Gauge to teach the kids
+1 nice hunting rifle with scope

And most of those owners are the ones who never registered with the original registry, many never converted from the FAC to the PAL, they probably have felt no need to do anything since this is all they have/need and they just go hunting once a year, or shoot in the hunting camp.

One of their buddies has a PAL so he buys the ammo for them.

The guns the have are reliable so they don't need to get them fixed.

I'm sure we all know a couple of them.

A 'new' firearms owner in Canada from the past 10 years or so will typically have the following in their collection:

Ruger 10/22
12 Gauge Pump Shotgun
SKS
Cooey they got from some relative for cheap
AR-180/equivalent (non-Restricted Semi-Auto .223)
Bolt Action Ruger American in .223 or 7.62x39

I know of very few gun owners that have only a single gun. They're like Pringles - once you pop, you just can't stop.

Take 2 million, multiply by 5, and you've got 10 million guns.

We all know there's more than that.

As for the 'unknown' number of formerly non-restricted now prohibited rifles of 1500+ makes/models, there is a reasonable estimate of their being almost 2 million of them.
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I don't know any firearms owner who has just one firearm.
 
NavyShooter said:
Considering the average Canadian Gun Owner from 30+ years ago probably has the following in their collection:

.22 Cooey
12 Gauge break action Shotgun
.303 Sporter from Grandpa
.410 Gauge to teach the kids
+1 nice hunting rifle with scope

And most of those owners are the ones who never registered with the original registry, many never converted from the FAC to the PAL, they probably have felt no need to do anything since this is all they have/need and they just go hunting once a year, or shoot in the hunting camp.

One of their buddies has a PAL so he buys the ammo for them.

The guns the have are reliable so they don't need to get them fixed.

I'm sure we all know a couple of them.

A 'new' firearms owner in Canada from the past 10 years or so will typically have the following in their collection:

Ruger 10/22
12 Gauge Pump Shotgun
SKS
Cooey they got from some relative for cheap
AR-180/equivalent (non-Restricted Semi-Auto .223)
Bolt Action Ruger American in .223 or 7.62x39

I know of very few gun owners that have only a single gun. They're like Pringles - once you pop, you just can't stop.

Take 2 million, multiply by 5, and you've got 10 million guns.

We all know there's more than that.

As for the 'unknown' number of formerly non-restricted now prohibited rifles of 1500+ makes/models, there is a reasonable estimate of their being almost 2 million of them.
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There was 4 million FAC holders, which represented maybe half the gun owners at the time. Take you first list of 5 guns and multiple that by 8 million = 40 million
 
Colin Parkinson said:
There was 4 million FAC holders, which represented maybe half the gun owners at the time. Take you first list of 5 guns and multiple that by 8 million = 40 million
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In the 90’s firearm ownership per capita was higher in Canada than down here.

IIRC back when the system was changing in 1994, it was reported that there 15 million registered pistols in Canada.

I suspect the number of formerly non restricted long guns in Canada is well over 100m.

My grandparents on both sides had more than 5 shotguns/rifles, and they were definitely not outliers.
Now none of their children (8 total) ever had significant interest in guns, but there where guns in most of their households as well (except for my parents - I was the only gun nut in the immediate family).

Down here, the VA Governor has just signed some fairly draconian laws, going into effect in July. Now so many families here have run out and bought handguns and black rifles for their families— many not because they want them, but concern that they may not be able to get them later. It reminds me of the way things started in Canada, grandfathering firearms, and banning transport and sale.
 
KevinB said:
In the 90’s firearm ownership per capita was higher in Canada than down here.

IIRC back when the system was changing in 1994, it was reported that there 15 million registered pistols in Canada.

I suspect the number of formerly non restricted long guns in Canada is well over 100m.

My grandparents on both sides had more than 5 shotguns/rifles, and they were definitely not outliers.
Now none of their children (8 total) ever had significant interest in guns, but there where guns in most of their households as well (except for my parents - I was the only gun nut in the immediate family).

Down here, the VA Governor has just signed some fairly draconian laws, going into effect in July. Now so many families here have run out and bought handguns and black rifles for their families— many not because they want them, but concern that they may not be able to get them later. It reminds me of the way things started in Canada, grandfathering firearms, and banning transport and sale.
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I agree. I know growing up every house hold seemed to have a wooden wall mounted 5 gun rack and drawers for ammo in their rec room. Usually a .303, 30-30 Lever, .22LR, 12ga Semi and 12ga pump.
 
I went through this the other day at work where even your most practically considering hunter who only views them as tools for hunting needs about 3 firearms minimum to be able to effectively hunt all types of game.

A .22 for partridge, rabbits, etc. A 12 gauge for birds/maybe larger game if you use slugs, and a full power rifle of some sort (.30-30, .308, .303, .30-06, etc.) for larger game.

Most end up with more than that, a .410 might be better for some small game, a few different large rifles depending on what game and where you are, maybe a .556 or 7.62x39 rifle for coyotes, maybe one scoped for longer range and one open sight for close range bush hunting, etc.
 
If you step into competition shooting, things become very specific. I knew some shooters that used to have a different rifle for each distance they fired - each essentially identical.

Others swapped upper receivers on their AR's depending on the distance they shot.

If you've got kids and want to teach them....things get even more interesting.
 
Just saw this,

Albertans who declared banned guns under Ottawa’s buyback still can’t get compensation. Click on the MSN to bring you to the story.​

MSN
 
Genetk44 said:
Just saw this,

Albertans who declared banned guns under Ottawa’s buyback still can’t get compensation. Click on the MSN to bring you to the story.​

MSN
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Patience. He will either get his money or the program will be scrapped and he can sell them again.

The greater good is at stake here, IMHO.
 
Genetk44 said:
Just saw this,

Albertans who declared banned guns under Ottawa’s buyback still can’t get compensation. Click on the MSN to bring you to the story.​

MSN
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I’d like to point out that Alberta directed the RCMP as the provincial police in this case so the Alberta RCMP are taking its cues from the provincial government. As it always does.

People who want to say the rcmp is a tool of Ottawa and don’t take their direction from their communities and provinces should take note.

That’s an imaginary position sold where needed to folks.
 
Now that the LPC has their coveted majority, they have re-started the business ASFCP, despite that, according to many gun advocacy groups, not a single retailer has yet to receive a penny from the original stock destroyed.

Business now have from April 20, 2026 at noon EDT until the end business on June 4 2026 to declare any not-previously declared now-prohibited firearms for potential compensation subject to available funds.

A few weeks ago I alluded that there might be some changes coming for the ASFCP. The hints I was given was that the program would become more favourable to gun owners, This is not what I expected, but here we go.
 
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