Active Shooter / Hostile Event ( ASHE ) prevention / response

[Booter]

The Quebec Green Party Leader waded in on Social Media on the actions of the female officer. He got slapped hard. He said she should have been better trained.
I would hazard to guess that you'd need JTF2 level training and practice to NOT react like she did to the bystander. Very tragic and I hope she gets all the counselling required (which I doubt will be enough).

you do enough HRT training and you’ll see a dove or a bystander catch one….under a lot less pressure than this.

I feel for her. Because there is lots of good stuff there.

In tactics we kinda talk about the idea of negative outcome bias where because at the end of the day the incident is horrific that it means we did something wrong- this is a human outcome that (in a grand totality-30 000 ft perspective) would have been orders of magnitude worse if they didn’t stop it when they did.

This is a real and honest result of an active shooter event.

 

[Jarnhamar]

you do enough HRT training and you’ll see a dove or a bystander catch one….under a lot less pressure than this.

It's funny reading the usual expert social media commentary about training and tactics from peoples chairs. I can hold my own running around playing gunfighter weenie and the first thing I thought when I seen the video was oh damn she probably shot that guy. Second thing was thinking damn I probably would have shot him too.

The civilian popping around the corner like that catching her off guard is like one of those annoying scenarios in CQB where the unarmed person jumps out to scare someone on purpose. It's just tragically perfect timing.

 

[brihard]

It's funny reading the usual expert social media commentary about training and tactics from peoples chairs. I can hold my own running around playing gunfighter weenie and the first thing I thought when I seen the video was oh damn she probably shot that guy. Second thing was thinking damn I probably would have shot him too.

The civilian popping around the corner like that catching her off guard is like one of those annoying scenarios in CQB where the unarmed person jumps out to scare someone on purpose. It's just tragically perfect timing.

Mm hm. that about aligns with my thinking.

 

[Booter]

100% fellas.

 

[Haggis]

It's funny reading the usual expert social media commentary about training and tactics from peoples chairs. I can hold my own running around playing gunfighter weenie and the first thing I thought when I seen the video was oh damn she probably shot that guy. Second thing was thinking damn I probably would have shot him too.

The civilian popping around the corner like that catching her off guard is like one of those annoying scenarios in CQB where the unarmed person jumps out to scare someone on purpose. It's just tragically perfect timing.

We run a lot of scenario based training where I work. Even with Tier 1 SOF level training and preparation (which most LEAs cannot attain), we have a limited amount of control over what we do, and far less over what the badger or dove does in response to our actions. There will always be someone out there. good or bad, that hands you a "hold my beer and watch this" moment.

 

[lenaitch]

We run a lot of scenario based training where I work. Even with Tier 1 SOF level training and preparation (which most LEAs cannot attain), we have a limited amount of control over what we do, and far less over what the badger or dove does in response to our actions. There will always be someone out there. good or bad, that hands you a "hold my beer and watch this" moment.

And no matter how realistic you can make a training scenario, there is a piece of every participant's mind that knows it is training - they're not going to die.

 

[KevinB]

. Even with Tier 1 SOF level training and preparation (which absolutely NO LEAs can attain),

Fixed it for you.

FBI HRT pales in comparison to SMU’s, and in Canada the role was given to DHTC for a reason.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Not a perfect fit here, but now, more worries?

Warning about anti-police manifesto has officers on high alert nationwide

There are serious concerns for the safety of police officers across Canada after internal intelligence from the BC RCMP warned of a violent declaration.

vancouver.citynews.ca

KW police react to RCMP warning about violence targeting officers

Waterloo Regional Police Chief Mark Crowell is reacting after the RCMP issued a warning of possible increased violence against officers.

kitchener.citynews.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not a perfect fit here, but now, more worries?

Warning about anti-police manifesto has officers on high alert nationwide

There are serious concerns for the safety of police officers across Canada after internal intelligence from the BC RCMP warned of a violent declaration.

vancouver.citynews.ca

KW police react to RCMP warning about violence targeting officers

Waterloo Regional Police Chief Mark Crowell is reacting after the RCMP issued a warning of possible increased violence against officers.

kitchener.citynews.ca

Is this insinuating some sort of massed social disorder ?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Is this insinuating some sort of massed social disorder ?

I don't think I'd guess that far down the spectrum. I have zero inside knowledge, but these days, it doesn't surprise me that any significant find in one part of the country causes folks in the same business to be alert elsewhere - especially with what looks like a rash of cops being killed on duty over the past couple of months.

 

[brihard]

I’ve gotta be careful not to talk out of school here, but I’m pretty confident this is just the media catching up to the ‘same day’ officer safety bulletins around the Montreal shooting, when the scope of what was going on still wasn’t clear.

It’s not unusual when something major is happening for there to be pretty widely disseminated safety bulletins if the scope of a threat is still being figured out.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I’ve gotta be careful not to talk out of school here, but I’m pretty confident this is just the media catching up to the ‘same day’ officer safety bulletins around the Montreal shooting, when the scope of what was going on still wasn’t clear.

That makes sense coming from media trying to "feed the 24 hour goat" and latching onto a new angle to maintain story momentum.

 

[Booter]

I’ve gotta be careful not to talk out of school here, but I’m pretty confident this is just the media catching up to the ‘same day’ officer safety bulletins around the Montreal shooting, when the scope of what was going on still wasn’t clear.

It’s not unusual when something major is happening for there to be pretty widely disseminated safety bulletins if the scope of a threat is still being figured out.

100% brihard. That’s my take as well- there’s been several of these messages local and divisional.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Fixed it for you.

FBI HRT pales in comparison to SMU’s, and in Canada the role was given to DHTC for a reason.

SMU="stands for Special Mission Unit, a designation for the United States military's most highly secretive and elite special operations forces, often referred to as Tier 1 units."