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[PrairieFella]

A friend has one and I was really impressed with how fast the interior heated up in -30C Winnipeg winters; less than 30 seconds.

A lot of the more modern ones seem to have resolved the winter depletion problem too. BYD is at the forefront of that - hopefully some other company can take some...pointers on that front lol.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Aussies are reporting rust issues with their Chinese cars, quality control is still all over the place.

 

[ytz]

A lot of the more modern ones seem to have resolved the winter depletion problem too. BYD is at the forefront of that - hopefully some other company can take some...pointers on that front lol.

Early EVs didn't have thermal management systems. New ones do. That improves range and reduce wear and tear on the battery.

A friend has one and I was really impressed with how fast the interior heated up in -30C Winnipeg winters; less than 30 seconds.

The miracle of heat pumps.....

Aussies are reporting rust issues with their Chinese cars, quality control is still all over the place.

Which brands? Chinese manufacturing is always choose your own adventure. You can the quality of an iPhone or generic brand android. Just depends on how much you want to pay. Some brands are probably better than others.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Telsa was the first to do thermal management and I will argue they are the world leader in automotive battery thermal management. Their cooling of earlier motors was less successful, although they have solved that issue.

 

[ytz]

Thermal management systems aren't really about the motors. It's about temp range bounding the battery pack. Battery heats up during charging. They needs to heat up in the cold to reduce internal resistance. They also need to cool down when charging to keep charge rate high. The thermal management system does that.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Thermal management systems aren't really about the motors. It's about temp range bounding the battery pack. Battery heats up during charging. They needs to heat up in the cold to reduce internal resistance. They also need to cool down when charging to keep charge rate high. The thermal management system does that.

Telsa had a major issue with coolant getting into the motor windings, causing major bills for anyone outside of warranty. They did solve that problem on later models and I don't hear issues with it. Beyond battery thermal management is motor thermal management as well.

 

[Ludoc]

So - EVs. Any of guys driven one? Frickin fast was my first impression. If the 500km range ones come down in price I might consider one when my wife and I get a car.

I have a Ford Lightning and am very happy with it. Based on my experience with it, I think EVs are great and most people would be happy to own one.

There are a bunch of things they do better than ICE vehicles. However, there are some things ICE vehicles are better suited for. I think most households with one vehicle and every household that has two vehicles could switch one for an EV and be very happy with the change. Once you get an EV into someone's hands they seem to be sold on them pretty quickly.

Having said that, there are still use cases where an ICE vehicle is 100% better. If you own a camping trailer and want to do a lot of of long haul towing trips, an EV is not right for you. If you live in an apartment/condo and don't have the ability to plug it in at night you would be missing out on the best benefit of having an EV, and should not buy one.

 

[ytz]

I think most households with one vehicle and every household that has two vehicles could switch one for an EV and be very happy with the change.

This is something that honestly surprises me about why there aren't more EVs given how many 2+ car households we have in Canada where one vehicle is just used for commuting.

If all you do is commute, a base Tesla 3 will be cheaper on lifecycle costs than a Civic, given that a base model Tesla 3 is now $40k.

 

[ytz]

If you live in an apartment/condo and don't have the ability to plug it in at night you would be missing out on the best benefit of having an EV, and should not buy one.

One of the things that really intrigued me from travel to Europe recently was charging at grocery stores. Everybody needs to eat. And everybody spends 20-30 mins inside a grocery store. Given a sufficiently high powered charger, you could sufficiently fill up for a week of driving during your grocery trip.

Concurrent activity. Should be something a lot of this forum understands.

 

[RangerRay]

One of the things that really intrigued me from travel to Europe recently was charging at grocery stores. Everybody needs to eat. And everybody spends 20-30 mins inside a grocery store. Given a sufficiently high powered charger, you could sufficiently fill up for a week of driving during your grocery trip.

Concurrent activity. Should be something a lot of this forum understands.

Were they pay stations? I can’t see your average grocery store wanting to foot the hydro bill for charging their customers’s cars.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

One of the things that really intrigued me from travel to Europe recently was charging at grocery stores. Everybody needs to eat. And everybody spends 20-30 mins inside a grocery store. Given a sufficiently high powered charger, you could sufficiently fill up for a week of driving during your grocery trip.

Concurrent activity. Should be something a lot of this forum understands.

Likely as the old European apartment buildings don't have the power infrastructure or the parking to charge at home. In Canada, purchasing trends are going toward hybrid. However be careful, PHEV hybrids batteries fail and are very costly. A basic hybrid gives you flexibility with fuel savings, without the significant risk of expensive battery failure. As for why more people don't buy EV's, in my opinion is generally the interiors are soulless and devoid of anything but a large screen. I know a number of Telsa owners, about half say they love the car for performance and range, but hate the interior.