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  1. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    For the skeptical - if i may point out: The February 2009 collision between HMS Vanguard and the French Le Triomphant—two SSBNs from NATO member states — collided in the Atlantic while conducting independent deterrent patrols under strict operational secrecy. The incident is often cited as...
  2. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I suspect this is only for exercises, where such coordination takes place. I believe the US, UK, and France fiercely protect the operational locations of their nuclear submarines (for both SSNs and SSBNs) from all, including alliance visibility, to preserve the operational security and...
  3. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I don't think anyone claimed precise submarine deployment timing nor precise submarine location should be public. The 'secrecy' argument IMHO falls short thou, when discussing generic top level considerations, especially if such considerations will lead to long lead item additional expensive...
  4. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    One aspect of, how shall I say it (?) , for me, is what I perceive as a lack of more detailed exploration and a lack of debate of operational implementation aspects surrounding an agreed approved procurement of 12 conventional (AIP-Lithium battery propulsion) submarines. I suspect part of the...
  5. oldcpu

    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Mk20 EOSS - reference The War Zone (typically associated with BAE 5-inch gun) and Mk20 EOSS - I believe on Arleigh Burke class destroyer (typically associated with BAE 5-inch gun) and Mk20 EOSS - on Triconderoga Class cruiser (typically associated with BAE 5-inch gun) and Narrow Field...
  6. oldcpu

    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Its difficult to ascertain what 'smaller' devices are intended to represent on such a model, if one does not have a prior classified (at present) knowledge. Reference spotlights - yes - that is possible. However in my (granted outdated) experience is the seachlights are combined with signal...
  7. oldcpu

    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Thanks for the photos. ... Of course it begs a couple questions: 1. how accurate are the renditions of the various pieces of equipment depicted ?? , and (2) what equipment is being depicted?? In some cases it is obvious. In other cases not so obvious. So i speculated on some - knowing full...
  8. oldcpu

    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    I think the gamble to no small extent, comes down to the ability to Command and Control, such 'drone' forces. There is no question, massive advances in AI have taken place, which help mitigate risks of friendly fire and collateral damage, but I suspect at present time there is a gamble this...
  9. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Reading on the Spanish west coast exploration of Canada, and the interaction with British explorers, is an interesting short read , for refreshing one's memory on this bit of history. At least it was for me. ... I kind of like the idea (to compete against other ideas) of using Canadian...
  10. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    In the interest of exploring the idea of names for the submarines, and trying hard not to grind any axe, I noted Noah's suggestion of an "Island" class for the submarines, where I took that a step further, and for the sake of PURE SPECULATION and discussion, along those lines the names could...
  11. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    No I am not fundamentally doing such. I guess I will have to explain such as you 100% missed such. If you go back and read the hypothetical proposed names you will see it is very different. The RCN has a history of using native names for warships which in the most part correspond to rivers...
  12. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Lol ... Thinking back to 1945 ... for a time there was HMCS U-190 and HMCS U-889.
  13. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I think selecting province names works, ... although one does has to avoid duplication (or accept duplication) with names of Rivers ... (for example there is a Saskatchewan River for example ) . As for avoiding native names, note some Canadian history - for those who are rusty on the topic ...
  14. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I want to point out specific words from the Canadian government website on the River Class Destroyer ... which clearly you did not read (granted it is a bit buried) .. https://www.canada.ca/en/navy/corporate/fleet-units/surface/river-class-destroyer.html After noting the 1st three River Class...
  15. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I don't think everyone shares that view for 'rejection' of "Tribal" naming for the River Class. Some (myself for one) thought it was time to replicate the names from the 'steamers' ... which is what they did. I served on a number of the steamers, and happy to see their names repeated in the...
  16. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    While i had a preference for the KSS-III batch II, I also think the TKMS Type-212CD has the earmarks of a great submarine. I do believe that. I am encouraged by this not being a TKMS export submarine, but rather this being the same submarine being delivered to Norway and Germany. Why do I...
  17. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    The Royal Canadian Navy's approach for use of native Canadian names is historically rooted in a tradition of deep respect, dating back to the wartime Tribal-class destroyers and the post-war Ojibwa, Onondaga, and Okanagan submarines. In Commonwealth naval tradition, naming a class of warships...
  18. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I wonder if we may see a change in the command structure of the RCN, with an new overall submarine commander (for both fleets) who has more administrative and doctrine roles, but not direct operational command? ie ... the following HIGHLY SPECULATIVE (and it could be RCN has in place today...
  19. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    How about: HMCS Ojibwa: Revives the lead ship name of Canada's original Oberon class, preserving the legacy of the RCN's post-war submarine service while honoring the vast Anishinaabe nation of the Great Lakes. HMCS Onondaga: Reclaims a highly distinguished Canadian submarine name from the...
  20. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    My reading was that Churchill shows up as one of the named elements of the TKMS industrial offer, though the details are still thin at this stage (preferred-supplier announcement, not signed contract). Per a Quwa analysis of the July 6, 2026 announcement, the offset package includes the...
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