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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    I'll argue that whatever they are going to deliver for RCD will be better than Navantia.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Length is a bit longer (2ish meters) and beam was about 0.5m wider.
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Don't believe the Spanish glossy brochure. Just look at Australia's experience with Navantia. The spanish ships are like new build house from a sketchy contractor. No primer under the paint, and shortcuts everywhere. Our problem isn't this BS friends and family narrative you're pushing. Its...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    The Rivers were to replace all the capabilities inherent in the tribals and frigates. 9 is the minimum be able to retire the frigates. After that either keep building Rivers or switch to a new class. We're 10 years away from even having that conversation.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    9 is the minimum build for Rivers. That's what we need to retire the HFX class. Destroyer Escort = Frigate, they are synonyms as all DE's were eventually rolled into Frigate classification when NATO's new classification system came out. Castor class is interesting. Good shout! My...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Rumour mill has CDC scope changing. Also that we'll find out in the new Fall Defence Policy.
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    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    German sub industry exports indicate otherwise. 50+ 209's exported (to Korea), 214's exported, 212's exported. It's far more likely given that industry's history that things will go fairly well. German surface fleet production vs German sub fleet production are different. For clarity some of...
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    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Can they? Are you sure? You know the depth and sailing conditions underwater for those routes? Also does it matter that the Russians can get submarines waaaay up north to the wasteland part of the arctic? Russian subs (attack subs) need to attack shipping and interdict transit routes for...
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    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    If you do a bit of research you'll find a number of subs systems are not kept within the hull. The 212CD in particular has a number of tanks, sonars and other equipment outside the pressure hull but inside the stealthy shaped hull.
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    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I think its going to entirely be contract, build schedules and GERNOR giving us some of their current build sched ships. These aren't the folks who talk about upgrades and such, this is the business, lawyer and diplomat crowd.
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    The Emerging CAF Deep Sense-Strike Complex

    I msg'd him about some of his arbitrary choices. Pointed out that a lot of the weapons listed on there are not Deep Strike ones (like Direct Fire AT weapons or short range mortars etc...). Not sure where the line is but I would argue if it doesn't go beyond 25nm (horizon at sea, approx 40km)...
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    Continental Defence Corvette

    That makes sense. It will be well into Seapan's CCG build cycle.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    So they are choosing to never get promoted. Unless Log is waiving that requirement now for Sea Log. Well that's a thing I guess.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    The wet and dry list has existed since I joined, it was always unofficial and informal, though recognized by leadership out loud eventually (2007 approx). Now its formalized in a different way. You can join the Staff officer stream at any point in time in the new org . And as far as "never...
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    The Arctic

    And yet you didn't list the 3rd busiest port in Canada on that list. Prince Rupert. Vancouver, Montreal, Prince Rupert, Halifax, Saint John in that order. If Churchill approaches Hamilton's volume that will be a win...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Still need to get that, Baby Log and Log O tour. Its been like that for decades. What's changed?
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    Continental Defence Corvette

    OK lets all take a breath here. Rheinmetall just this year... in March... entered the naval shipbuilding market with the purchase of NVL (Naval Vessels Lursen). You'll note then that this is their first ever ship design in the new company. So what's the motivation here? Marketing plain and...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    They are producing NWO's at a record rate right now. However they changed all the training to do so. You're OFP when you finish your MARS 4 or whatever its called. Matching all the other trades in the CAF. And they've significantly streamlined the post BWK process. No more NOPQ boards...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    We always look at NATO. Take a look at Australia, Japan and Korea for other comparables. Then you need to compare what the "frigates" actually are for capability. Some are short range national water types of ships. Australia is a good comparable, however their requirements have them...
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    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Arctic is shallow. Finding an anchoring area where dynamic positioning is irrelevant works. Ideally that's better than dynamic. 4 is the correct answer. 6 is too many given current expected fleet numbers and mission sets. If Canada had significant overseas responsibilities then 6 would be...
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