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Is this recent?
Replacing the Subs
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Is this recent?
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1987 I believe.
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I think the pamphlet gives it away
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Korean Times reporter perspective....
"The trend that disturbs me most was the emergence of non-combat elements such as job creation and technology transfer as core factors in determining who will win the bid."
Canada being Canada
"The trend that disturbs me most was the emergence of non-combat elements such as job creation and technology transfer as core factors in determining who will win the bid."
What's lost in Canada's bid to purchase naval vessels - The Korea Times
On Feb. 3, a Canadian delegation travelled all the way to the city of Geoje on Korea's southern coast for a first-hand look at Hanwha’s shipyard. S...
www.koreatimes.co.kr
Canada being Canada
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India: “Here, hold my chai…”
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The Koreans are showing their inexperience and naivety regarding very large scale and long term international defence sales, substantial offsets and pot sweeteners are common place everywhere and Canada is no different. Korea is a relatively new player in the international arms export game, with a lot of their sales being smaller scale but still impressive land system exports. There is a distinct difference between the sheer scale of effort and money at play between a few hundred armoured vehicles or rocket artillery going to Australia or Poland, and setting up a nation to nation cooperative effort to procure, build, operate and maintain a fleet of potentially 12 large conventionally powered submarines.
It sounds to me like sour grapes on the part of the Koreans, who just want to sell us something off the technical merits of the system alone instead of getting down into the nitty gritty of govt to govt procurement competitions. We're looking at something in the ballpark of a $60B~ procurement here, you don't get to win on technical specs alone.
It sounds to me like sour grapes on the part of the Koreans, who just want to sell us something off the technical merits of the system alone instead of getting down into the nitty gritty of govt to govt procurement competitions. We're looking at something in the ballpark of a $60B~ procurement here, you don't get to win on technical specs alone.
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Apparently some Canadians share the same concerns as the Korean reporter.
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There may be some related concerns, but I would say they are “the same.” Canada’s approach is trying to balance a proportionately rapid build of defence capabilities while simultaneously seeking to increase financial prosperity in the context of a significant extant economic threat.
Wendy Gilmour captures that duality in the article:
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We have nothing and currently nothing is being publicly discussed. Realistically, with a dozen subs on both coasts, we should be looking at a recovery vessel on each coast.
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Other nations have persistent reminders that there is a war on. We, in Canada, find it harder to maintain the aim.
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I'm pretty sure South Korea would be considered an "ally". From the United Nations Command website:
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What that reporter doesn't understand that service and support, and technology transfer ARE combat elements. Because they directly related to ship availability rates and a domestic industry that can support and service in wartime when we are potentially cut off from Europe or Korea.Korean Times reporter perspective....
"The trend that disturbs me most was the emergence of non-combat elements such as job creation and technology transfer as core factors in determining who will win the bid."
What's lost in Canada's bid to purchase naval vessels - The Korea Times
On Feb. 3, a Canadian delegation travelled all the way to the city of Geoje on Korea's southern coast for a first-hand look at Hanwha’s shipyard. S...www.koreatimes.co.kr
Canada being Canada
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The thing I don't like is offsets that are not related to the equipment. Like investments from Korea in Newfoundlands natural gas system. That offset should be going to military stuff (not that the investment isn't welcome). This is one of the things mentioned in the Defence Investment Strategy (DIS) that was released today. That the government will take more control over what industry thinks they can do for offsets and attempt to make them more related to STEM, research and defence industral instead of I dunno a new pickle bottling plant or somesuch.
