14 Dec 2025: Bondi Beach Australia Hanukkah Attack

[brihard]

I suspect AUS int folks likely have all sorts of goodies along those lines, but I suspect (subject to correction from folks more in the know) there may be the same type of agita going from int to evidence as we see here.

Meh, police would seize and search the contents of their devices with a warrant. Nothing weird or unusual there. Getting a warrant to examine their devices for any communications or data speaking to ideology, planning, preparation etc would be super easy.

 

[lenaitch]

Lots of police are more akin to armed social workers than "warriors". I doubt the Australian people would go for every day police officers looking and acting like goons from tactical teams.

It's pretty hard to be a "warrior" when most cops would only be called upon to be 'warrior-y' only a handful of times in their career, at best. It would be akin to train one week a year at [fill in military trade here] then go do something completely different and expecting that training to kick back in at 100% at a moment's notice.

I was never a trainer but I feel there is a difference between a 'warrior' mindset (which some of our trainers would use) and a 'survival' mindset. One places the public as the enemy, the other simply tries to ensure that you go home every night.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meh, police would seize and search the contents of their devices with a warrant. Nothing weird or unusual there. Getting a warrant to examine their devices for any communications or data speaking to ideology, planning, preparation etc would be super easy.

Seen - I was thinking beforehand.

 

[The Bread Guy]

OK, then - gun control stuff over at its new home.

BTW, thanks to all other law enforcement & LE-adjacent types adding granular from-the-coalface background to the discussion

Please carry on ....

Army.ca Staff

 

[Jarnhamar]

It's pretty hard to be a "warrior" when most cops would only be called upon to be 'warrior-y' only a handful of times in their career, at best. It would be akin to train one week a year at [fill in military trade here] then go do something completely different and expecting that training to kick back in at 100% at a moment's notice.

I was never a trainer but I feel there is a difference between a 'warrior' mindset (which some of our trainers would use) and a 'survival' mindset. One places the public as the enemy, the other simply tries to ensure that you go home every night.

I totally agree, I wasn't being critical. I know a cop who could turn any fail to stop at a stop sign into an arrest if he could. No one wants that (well except him).

In an active shooter scenario I'd guess the first responders are going to be patrol cops close by who are more accustomed to domestics and car accidents than gun battles. If I was police chief I'd have them charge the bad guys to distract them, hopefully saving children from getting shot, and buying the tacteam time to deploy.

 

[brihard]

I totally agree, I wasn't being critical. I know a cop who could turn any fail to stop at a stop sign into an arrest if he could. No one wants that (well except him).

In an active shooter scenario I'd guess the first responders are going to be patrol cops close by who are more accustomed to domestics and car accidents than gun battles. If I was police chief I'd have them charge the bad guys to distract them, hopefully saving children from getting shot, and buying the tacteam time to deploy.

If the threat remains active, almost invariably, by the time a specialized team shows up, patrol officers have ended it. It’s rare for killing to continue long enough for tactical to show up unless they happen to already be in the immediate area. That’s why training and equipping patrol is so critical.

Generally if it gets turned over to tactical, either the threat has changed to armed and barricaded, or we think the threat has been stopped but need a methodical search to be sure.

Exceptions happen - Moncton, Uvalde; but they’re rare.

 

[mariomike]

Readers interested in ASHE may, or may not, find this discussion in the Emergency Services forum of interest,

Active Shooter / Hostile Event ( ASHE ) prevention / response​

14 pages.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Some of the people probably paid for that with their lives.

Their government's first panicked response being to immediately start bleating about more gun control suggests they're not going to take any lessons learned seriously.

Crisis == opportunity. Ghoulish bastards.

 

[lenaitch]

I totally agree, I wasn't being critical. I know a cop who could turn any fail to stop at a stop sign into an arrest if he could. No one wants that (well except him).

In an active shooter scenario I'd guess the first responders are going to be patrol cops close by who are more accustomed to domestics and car accidents than gun battles. If I was police chief I'd have them charge the bad guys to distract them, hopefully saving children from getting shot, and buying the tacteam time to deploy.

Ya, I worked with a guy like. Every traffic stop of a little old lady with a burned out headlight turned into a high risk takedown. It was very tiresome.

He went his entire career without having shot anyone and I am sure he left disappointed.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

If the threat remains active, almost invariably, by the time a specialized team shows up, patrol officers have ended it. It’s rare for killing to continue long enough for tactical to show up unless they happen to already be in the immediate area. That’s why training and equipping patrol is so critical.

Generally if it gets turned over to tactical, either the threat has changed to armed and barricaded, or we think the threat has been stopped but need a methodical search to be sure.

Exceptions happen - Moncton, Uvalde; but they’re rare.

Dawson college is fine example of a patrol cop going in and causing the shooter to off themselves, saving many lives.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I wondered who that guy was. They almost shot him....

Lawyer of man who 'ran through' Bondi gunfire and 'kicked away shooter's gun' speaks out

The lawyer of a man who 'kicked away' a shooter's gun in the Bondi terrorist attack has spoken out.

www.unilad.com

 

[brihard]

Dawson college is fine example of a patrol cop going in and causing the shooter to off themselves, saving many lives.

Yup. Move to the threat, change their behaviour to anything that’s not continued predation on innocents. Surrender, self-delete, barricade, fight cops… Whatever. All are better than continuing to murder innocents.

Most aren’t looking for a fight.

 

[brihard]

Some major updates tonight.

Both attackers travelled to the Philippines last month and received “military style training”.

Bondi gunmen underwent 'military-style training' in Philippines

Father-son gunmen Sajid and Naveed Akram travelled to the Philippines to receive "military-style training" in the month before they killed 15 people at a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach, security sources have confirmed.

www.abc.net.au

Very interesting background on the younger of the attackers in Australia. He was investigated in 2019 for links to a known radical religious leader in Australia, and has been associated to several other ISIS adherents.

Bondi gunman was follower of notorious antisemitic Sydney cleric

At least one of the gunmen who killed 15 people in Sunday's Bondi Beach terrorist attack was known to authorities as a follower of a notorious Sydney pro-Islamic State cleric, the ABC can reveal.

www.abc.net.au

I’m guessing police are in their phones and other devices and have a treasure trove of info.

 

[OldSolduer]

Crisis == opportunity. Ghoulish bastards.

Never let a crisis go to waste. Politicians of all stripes are exceedingly good at that.

 

[OldSolduer]

Most aren’t looking for a fight.

Most if you get right down to it are cowards.

 

[daftandbarmy]

There are some reporting that the female police officers 'ran away'.

Clearly, this is not true as you'll see at least one female cop in action here ...

 

[brihard]

This appears to be video showing a plainclothes detective from the nearby police station who ran to the scene and engaged the shooters. He may be the one who dropped white pants, may also have wounded black pants. As near as I can tell from matching the video to the ground and picking out the specific tree, he was shooting from about 25-30m. Pretty damned good for a pistol on a two way range.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000756383382212903

 

[Booter]

Active shooters and hostage rescue in the realm of police work are by and large a patrol officer issue. We have our highly trained HR folks but the statistics on who actually winds up doing the HR is interesting. You could argue that the HR folks are for the sophisticated hostage taker files- ideological etc.

I wonder if I can find those new stats…

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some major updates tonight.

Both attackers travelled to the Philippines last month and received “military style training”.

Bondi gunmen underwent 'military-style training' in Philippines

Father-son gunmen Sajid and Naveed Akram travelled to the Philippines to receive "military-style training" in the month before they killed 15 people at a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach, security sources have confirmed.

www.abc.net.au

Very interesting background on the younger of the attackers in Australia. He was investigated in 2019 for links to a known radical religious leader in Australia, and has been associated to several other ISIS adherents.

Bondi gunman was follower of notorious antisemitic Sydney cleric

At least one of the gunmen who killed 15 people in Sunday's Bondi Beach terrorist attack was known to authorities as a follower of a notorious Sydney pro-Islamic State cleric, the ABC can reveal.

www.abc.net.au

I’m guessing police are in their phones and other devices and have a treasure trove of info.

I watched a clip of the bastards shooting, his gun handling skills were good and he was using some sort of red dot. Clearly he trained for rapid fire with the bolt action.

 

[lenaitch]

There are some reporting that the female police officers 'ran away'.

There are still people who can't reconcile that women aren't solely in the kitchen anymore.

Active shooters and hostage rescue in the realm of police work are by and large a patrol officer issue. We have our highly trained HR folks but the statistics on who actually winds up doing the HR is interesting. You could argue that the HR folks are for the sophisticated hostage taker files- ideological etc.

I wonder if I can find those new stats…

Interesting. I would suspect that the data might be different in urban vs rural environments. A large municipal department/detachment would be able to have at least elements of their tactical/containment/negotiating people on scene fairly quickly vs a rural detachment where they might have to be called out then drive some distance.